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Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by zeth___ on Friday March 23, 2018 @08:21PM (#16663851)
Up next, all atheists and homosexuals get fired from any company that deals with Saudi Arabia.

We can't let backwards dictatorships have any say in how a democracy is ran.

Marion should be made an example of in the US. Say a wink wink nudge nudge major tax audit of every single Marion hotel.

Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by andrei_says_ on Friday March 23, 2018 @09:09PM (#16664087)
> We can't let backwards dictatorships have any say in how a democracy is ran.

Unfortunately we can, we do, and we will continue to, unless we make it more expensive for companies to submit to than to oppose such forces.

Given the role money plays in our legislative process, I think we will be seeing more of this.

Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by superkuh on Friday March 23, 2018 @10:38PM (#16664463)
Not only can we, but now with the CLOUD Act passed as a rider to the budget bill those countries have even more options since the law will,

>Enable foreign police to collect and wiretap people's communications from U.S. companies, without obtaining a U.S. warrant.

>Allow foreign nations to demand personal data stored in the United States, without prior review by a judge.

>Allow the U.S. president to enter "executive agreements" that empower police in foreign nations that have weaker privacy laws than the United States to seize data in the United States while ignoring U.S. privacy laws.

>Allow foreign police to collect someone's data without notifying them about it.

Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by elefanten on Friday March 23, 2018 @09:08PM (#16664081)
This isn't an example of anyone having a say in how the government is run.

Any kind of extra-legal and arbitrary "making an example" of a company domestically would be disastrous to confidence in the market.

The better implementation of your objective would be to create a policy (enshrined in rules) first, then go after anyone who violates it.

Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by zeth___ on Friday March 23, 2018 @10:09PM (#16664358)
>Any kind of extra-legal and arbitrary "making an example" of a company domestically would be disastrous to confidence in the market.

The market is in place to serve the country, not the other way around. Corporate charters are given by government and can be revoked. Colluding with a foreign country that we have a strained relationship with should be grounds for at least looking at the company much more closely.

Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by weirdstuff on Friday March 23, 2018 @10:20PM (#16664399)
It's unfortunate that countries do increasingly exist to serve markets. In my opinion that's a real inversion, although subtle, that's been taking place.

Which leads us to a bought political system, at the moment at least.

Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by cinquemb on Friday March 23, 2018 @11:27PM (#16664664)
>Which leads us to a bought political system, at the moment at least.

Some would say it has always been bought, because markets are made to serve people (some of those people may have different governments), and the people running the markets will use that leverage over others in varying degrees…

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Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by thisacctforreal on Friday March 23, 2018 @09:35PM (#16664208)
Cute, but for anyone who thinks China and the US are similar, please research the persecution of Falun Gong.

Here's some heavily sarcastic coverage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_cURws4UaY

Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by letslightafire on Friday March 23, 2018 @09:47PM (#16664276)
China Uncensored is a horribly biased news site which is funded by the Falun Gong. Not saying that China's treatment of Falun Gong isn't terrible but China Uncensored is a pretty bad news source. I'd put it akin to some fake news sites.
Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by mistermann on Saturday March 24, 2018 @01:12AM (#16664997)
> I'd put it akin to some fake news sites.

Could you provide any actual evidence of any "fake news" that they've broadcast? Or in 2018 is simply an association with another group proof enough?

Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by letslightafire on Sunday March 25, 2018 @04:51PM (#16674532)
Saying that China Uncensored is "journalism" or a news site is terribly misleading. They're a propaganda channel first and foremost and their only goal is to further the Falun Gong's personal platform.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Tang_Dynasty_Television

This is their parent company and due to their onesidedness I wouldn't trust anything that comes from their mouth. As well as I wouldn't trust anything coming from the mouth of Breitbart, InfoWars, or any news site from China itself.

Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by mistermann on Monday March 26, 2018 @02:50PM (#16681420)
You don't know what their only goal is.

At least, they're one of very few sources that report on China negatively from a strategic, big picture perspective. To listen to you, one might think everything they say is a lie, speaking of fake news. I guess that's why you dodged my question.

Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by letslightafire on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @01:52AM (#16685654)
You're right, I probably don't know what their only goal is. However, you can easily extrapolate from their parent company's goals and backgrounds and take your answer from there.

"The station was founded in 2001 by Falun Gong practitioners as a Chinese-language broadcaster"[1]

They produce Shen Yun, which has a strong Falun Gong backing and definitely has an agenda, what with the final act being a giant tsunami that comes in and kills all those in the mainland[2]

They are partnered with the Epoch Times which is considered one of the biggest mouthpieces of the Falun Gong[3]

The Epoch Times, New Tang Media, and China Uncensored are all clearly biased in one direction. I really don't know how you can say they aren't, but they don't even try to hide the fact sometimes. You have to realize that when you listen to them as you have to see their biases.

>At least, they're one of very few sources that report on China negatively from a strategic, big picture perspective.

Are you really sure about that? China uncensored doesn't go into high journalism and most of the time just dips their foot into news articles with clickbaity headlines and overly sarcastic monologues. I would much prefer something done by the FT, Economist, or NYT.

As to why I consider them fake news. I really don't trust news at face value from China Uncensored the same way I don't trust articles from places like Breitbart. They have a way of over-exaggerating the news and twisting it into an anti-China stance. I always go find extra sources and never dwell on their one single source.

[1]https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB108190438992282143

[2]https://www.denverpost.com/2008/01/09/chinese-new-year-embra...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch_Times

Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by mistermann on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @08:35AM (#16687656)
> However, you can easily extrapolate from their parent company's goals and backgrounds and take your answer from there.

Yes, you can, but if your goal is reaching correct conclusions, that's not a great strategy (although it's an extremely popular one nowadays, even on HN).

> The Epoch Times, New Tang Media, and China Uncensored are all clearly biased in one direction. I really don't know how you can say they aren't

Neither can I, but I'm not sure why we're discussing this because I have said no such thing. What I did say is that I disagree with your broad classification of them as "fake news", and I offered you the opportunity to cite some specific examples of things they've said that aren't true, which you've now passed on twice. To me that is interesting, because I am increasingly curious about how the human mind works. Is it interesting to you?

> Are you really sure about that? China uncensored doesn't go into high journalism and most of the time just dips their foot into news articles with clickbaity headlines and overly sarcastic monologues. I would much prefer something done by the FT, Economist, or NYT.

No, not overly sure. I've never encountered anything very negative on China elsewhere, but then I haven't really been looking for it. If you could point me to any particular China-critical articles from any of those publications I'd certainly read them.

> As to why I consider them fake news. I really don't trust news at face value from China Uncensored the same way I don't trust articles from places like Breitbart. They have a way of over-exaggerating the news and twisting it into an anti-China stance. I always go find extra sources and never dwell on their one single source.

In that sense I would agree that they're "fake news" (with quotes); I reserve the term fake news without quotes for actual lies rather than bias, or bias while claiming impartiality, like mainstream news in most Western nations.

Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by letslightafire on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @09:46PM (#16694511)
Compare these two different aspects of journalism

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/world/asia/china-africa-b...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN9wFtiJtBM

China Uncensored's video barely scratches the surface except for some things that China does in Africa. The other is an actual journalism piece which goes indepth on what people in Africa think of the situation while also going forlaying into China's involvement with Africa.

https://www.economist.com/news/china/21737283-it-has-problem...

This article too goes into actual journalism with an indepth review on China's relations with race and how they see race as well.

https://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21737558-clear-think...

From the economist and another "China-critical" piece. I'm going to be honest though, most articles regarding China from the economist or Financial Times are going to be "China-critical", just varying degrees on what you consider critical to be. Most aren't going to be overly pessimistic about any small thing China does (as China Uncensored does for everything) and most are going to err on the side of mild concern.

China Uncensored likes to over-exaggerate a lot of things. Problems come from their clickbaity headlines and lack of acting like an actual news provider.

Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by _emacsomancer_ on Friday March 23, 2018 @10:34PM (#16664446)
I didn't say they were the same, or even equivalent.
Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by tzakrajs on Friday March 23, 2018 @10:56PM (#16664529)
> Which democracy are we talking about? China? The US?

You made an equivalency without explicitly stating that they were the same or equivalent. The equivalency you made was that both China and the US could be mistaken for democracies, when in truth only the US could be mistaken for a democracy (since it is a representative democracy). China is well known to practice authoritarian rule by law through Communist Party of China and so it reasonably wouldn't be confused as a democracy.

Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by _emacsomancer_ on Friday March 23, 2018 @11:24PM (#16664650)
Right. It's a good thing that the US has two drastically different major political parties and not just one like China.
Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by njharman on Friday March 23, 2018 @09:20PM (#16664135)
Marriot, and almost all companies, are not demmocraces.
Re:Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job by chx on Saturday March 24, 2018 @12:45AM (#16664919)
> We can't let backwards dictatorships have any say in how a democracy is ran.

So in your opinion both Gulf Wars had nothing to do with the strong influence Saudi Arabia has over the USA and in specific, the Bush family?