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Re:Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire by rhizome on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @07:30PM (#16643467)
Please stop spreading the "Obama did it too!" canard, they didn't exceed authorization.
Re:Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire by nickysielicki on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @07:42PM (#16643580)
See here for details of how CA's data was aggregated: https://theintercept.com/2017/03/30/facebook-failed-to-prote...

You can find that this survey was listed on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/HITsWorthTurkingFor/comments/27nnaa...

Half the reddit commenters claim to have gave them fraudulent information, and they paid people $2 for completing the survey.

How is that fundamentally different from this:

https://twitter.com/mbsimon/status/975231597183229953

> I ran the Obama 2008 data-driven microtargeting team. How dare you! We didn’t steal private Facebook profile data from voters under false pretenses. OFA voluntarily solicited opinions of hundreds of thousands of voters. We didn’t commit theft to do our groundbreaking work.

So a bunch of MT users voluntarily gave their information over, for $2, knowing that it would be used for research purposes, and clearly (at least on reddit) skeptical of giving over their information. But that's theft and that's wrong.

A bunch of Obama for President enthusiasts voluntarily give their information to his campaign, knowing that it would be used for research purposes. That's categorically different, for some reason.

Re:Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire by sverige on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @07:35PM (#16643510)
Because Facebook gave them authorization to do whatever they wanted to do with the data.
Re:Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire by canoebuilder on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @08:12PM (#16643921)
Please stop spreading the "Obama did it too!" canard, they didn't exceed authorization.

So in this formulation you're making Facebook out to be some kind of super-governmental authority on the proper or improper use of this potentially civilization shifting cache of data.

This issue here isn't, oh noes! Trump broke Facebook's rules, bad Trump!

This issue here is that this cache of data exists and we've seen it put to use in a variety of ways that elicit dismay from a variety of people.

This issue here is that Facebook exists, has constructed this system, exploitative of human behaviour and psychology, and collected this data.

Think back to the Chamath and Parker stories a few months ago. This is a much bigger issue than the doings of a single political campaign.

Are we just going to leave it up to Zuck and Sheryl to work out how they can best profit from this system and data while hoping they don't destroy society in the process?

What if Zuckerberg were to die in a plane crash tomorrow and an enfant terrible, a young Maxima Rex were to subsequently rise to the throne while holding political views polar opposite to both you and her father, would you be just as enthusiastic about her deciding what are and aren't "authorizable" uses of this data?

#deletefacebook

Re:Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire by macspoofing on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @07:36PM (#16643520)
Can you elaborate on the difference?
Re:Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire by lopmotr on Thursday March 22, 2018 @03:10AM (#16646446)
You're saying that Facebook was the main guilty party for Obama but not so guilty, just negligent with Trump? In that case, why are people upset at Facebook? It's less guilty than before. They should be pleased with Facebook's tighter authorization and blame only CA/etc.
Re:Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire by Aunche on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @07:39PM (#16643542)
That has nothing to do with Facebook though. Once Facebook gives its data to a third party, they have no control over it.
Re:Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire by allthenews on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @07:42PM (#16643581)
That doesn't justify the fact that data was harvested for what amounts to targeted propaganda.

And this isn't some kind of whataboutism. Attention needs to be drawn to these abuses of private data, regardless of where they occur or whether they are technically legal.