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Re:Sources: Google is buying Lytro for about $40M by JimmyAustin on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @02:41AM (#16636023)
Just spit-balling, but could it be used for cheap depth perception, like a LIDAR alternative?
Re:Sources: Google is buying Lytro for about $40M by StavrosK on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @03:49AM (#16636257)
Probably, but so can two normal cameras, like the ones humans have in our heads.
Re:Sources: Google is buying Lytro for about $40M by KaiserPro on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @09:12AM (#16637699)
stereo cameras only give two viewpoints, it requires a lot of processing power to re-create the 3d scene. a lightfield gives you much more information making reconstruction much simpler.

You can also see past occlusions, something not possible with stereo.

Re:Sources: Google is buying Lytro for about $40M by StavrosK on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @09:21AM (#16637752)
How can you see past occlusions?
Re:Sources: Google is buying Lytro for about $40M by PaulHoule on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @10:39AM (#16638350)
A stereo camera array can see past occlusions in the sense that some things are occluded to one camera but not to another.

With a larger and more distributed camera array, cameras could be pointed everywhere so that every point in the field has a certain level of coverage.

Re:Sources: Google is buying Lytro for about $40M by StavrosK on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @10:46AM (#16638425)
The GP said you can see past occlusions with a Lytro and not with stereo, and that sounds exactly the other way around to me (as to you).
Re:Sources: Google is buying Lytro for about $40M by Jtsummers on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @11:43AM (#16639068)
You can do it with both, actually. Light field data allows you to simulate different viewing angles of the same scene. Depending on the sensor quality you can use this to "see around" objects which occlude the scene from a specific angle (like if you view the image from the center of the field of view). Some limitations, of course, similar to stereoscopic imagery.

Using stereoscopic as an example, you can synthesize a 2d image with the center being between the two sensors. The further apart you place the sensors, up to some limit, the more you can "rotate" the scene. But you lose a lot of data when the viewing angles become too extreme. A light field image can be used for the same effect, but because it's one sensor your ability to rotate the scene will be constrained (as if you had two sensors very close together).

Apparently the examples I saw years ago on Lytro's site aren't available anymore. It was a neat effect with their initial camera, I imagine higher quality cameras could do much more.

A neat thing with light field sensors versus stereoscopic is that you have far more freedom in how you move around the scene. With two sensors you can only move "left and right" or "up and down". With light field data and one sensor you can move in any direction.

Re:Sources: Google is buying Lytro for about $40M by StavrosK on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @11:48AM (#16639127)
Ah, I see what you mean. You're constrained to viewpoints on the sensor, though, no? So usually a small square.
Re:Sources: Google is buying Lytro for about $40M by PaulHoule on Thursday March 22, 2018 @01:10PM (#16650578)
A few Superbowls ago Intel demoed a supercomputer which could take in live video streams from hundreds of cameras, run a batch job for about 30 seconds, and then be able to synthesize video from arbitrary viewpoints above the crowd.

I think it worked by making a point cloud that fits the camera observations.

Obstruction is not a big issue in that use case, but if there was obstruction, the system could choose to ignore pixels that were obstructed when constructing the image.

Re:Sources: Google is buying Lytro for about $40M by Jtsummers on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @11:54AM (#16639203)
Right. And with the initial cameras, which were neat but not breathtaking in their capabilities, you really only got a small ability to move around the scene. A larger sensor or a pair of these would offer greater capabilities for this application. I believe using an array of sensors was how their video camera worked, but I'm not 100%.

(I spent a lot of time reading about light field stuffs back when Lytro was first announced, I was also tangentially connected to a synthetic aperture radar project so it piqued a lot of my curiosity at the time. I haven't kept up with the state-of-the-art since then, though.)

Re:Sources: Google is buying Lytro for about $40M by Angostura on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @03:08AM (#16636128)
Sounds plausible to me.
Re:Sources: Google is buying Lytro for about $40M by matte_black on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @07:35AM (#16637110)
Do you really want “cheap” depth perception for a self driving car?
Re:Sources: Google is buying Lytro for about $40M by Jtsummers on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @11:51AM (#16639161)
Perhaps read that as "inexpensive" rather than "cheap" if you take cheap to imply low quality.

Light field sensors could greatly aid self-driving vehicles as a significant improvement over standard cameras and stereoscopic configurations for object detection. It's not as good as Lidar in some ways, but it's much less expensive and offers some of the same kinds of data (which means greater portability of algorithms or techniques between the two sensor types). And since cars need to see the same visual cues humans do, we need cameras anyways (for reading signs and road directions, lane detection, etc.) so using a light field sensor could offer a twofer. Improved object detection plus the ability to do visual detection we already need.

Re:Sources: Google is buying Lytro for about $40M by opencl on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @11:19AM (#16638764)
Yes? Why would you not want it to be cheap? Current self driving LIDAR units costing $75,000 seems like a pretty major barrier to mass producing the things.