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Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by raphaelj on Monday March 19, 2018 @06:58PM (#16624133)
To put this accident in perspective, Uber self-driving cars totaled about 2 to 3 millions miles, while the fatality rate on US roads is approximately 1.18 deaths per 100 millions miles [1].

[1] https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/usdot-releases-2016-fat...

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by ejstronge on Monday March 19, 2018 @08:21PM (#16624776)
The appropriate comparison would be to ask how many pedestrians were struck by a car and killed.

Considering that humans would likely slow down if they see a pedestrian - even if one appeared suddenly - this is even more disconcerting.

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by lev99 on Monday March 19, 2018 @09:02PM (#16624994)
It's more specific, but I care about all fatalities, not just car-pedestrian fatalities.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by LyndsySimon on Monday March 19, 2018 @09:13PM (#16625072)
At some point, autonomous vehicles will be carrying cargo instead of passengers. When that happens, fatalities per mile driven will no longer be a valid comparison between manned and unmanned vehicles, as catastrophic accidents will have fewer people involved.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by lev99 on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @01:49PM (#16640610)
I do think it'll always be fair to consider total lives lost per usage metric, regardless of if people were in the vehicle or not. The lives of drivers & passengers have equal value to the lives of pedestrians.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by tim333 on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @01:09AM (#16626189)
You can still tally fatalities per million ton miles of cargo. As I'm sure people do already for trucks vs trains etc.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by Rambunctious on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @02:23AM (#16626377)
This Rand study looks at impact of lives saved and recommends that "Results Suggest That More Lives Will Be Saved the Sooner HAVs Are Deployed". Any mishap, while most unfortunate and tragic for everyone concerned, should not result in kneejerk reactions!

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR2150.html

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by goshx on Monday March 19, 2018 @08:14PM (#16624735)
That’s not apples to apples. How many cars account for the nhtsa number and how many for Uber’s program?
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by utopcell on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @12:16AM (#16626019)
I'd say that miles driven is a good normalizer.

In fact, NHTSA statistics includes miles driven under adverse conditions (rain, snow, etc) while I'd bet that this is not the case for Uber.

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by untangle on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @06:13AM (#16627212)
Statistically, I don't think that miles driven on lonely freeways equal those in Manhatten. And perceptually, running down city pedestrians at 40 MPH will impact public thinking more than highway fatalities.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by utopcell on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @02:06PM (#16630993)
True.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by thegabez on Monday March 19, 2018 @08:05PM (#16624673)
Knowing that makes this much more infuriating.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by nealabq on Monday March 19, 2018 @08:15PM (#16624738)
Waymo has driven 2.7 billion miles in simulation [1]. Is that enough to give them some idea of how many deaths to expect?

[1] https://waymo.com/ontheroad/

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by mickronome on Monday March 19, 2018 @09:23PM (#16625139)
It's impossible to know. The simulation needs to be very good with thousands and thousands of all the weird situations that can occur in the real world. Without knowing how sofisticated the simulation is and if they also are using generative algorithms to try to break the autonomous system you can't even ballpark it.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by cjdaly on Monday March 19, 2018 @08:09PM (#16624698)
that doesn't sound like a fair comparison. How many human interventions were there in the 2-3 million Uber miles?