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Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by ugh on Friday September 03, 2010 @11:24PM (#1661909)
I know it’s not the topic of the submission but I would have very much liked to get an explanation. Is it maybe a guide horse? See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guide_horse
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by naner on Saturday September 04, 2010 @12:17AM (#1662006)
Yes it is an assistance animal[1]. It is kind of sad that the guy never figured it out. At least he didn't go and try to pet it or something.

[1]: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/04/magazine/04Creatures-t.htm...

Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by pbhjpbhj on Saturday September 04, 2010 @06:14AM (#1662437)
>Yes it is an assistance animal[1]. It is kind of sad that the guy never figured it out.

Are you sure. Why could it not be a pet? The image in the OP doesn't appear to show a harness (as in the NYTimes article) as is usual for an assistance animal. In my country assistance animals usually wear some high-vis in public too.

Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by naner on Saturday September 04, 2010 @08:23PM (#1663724)
It could be a pet, I'm no expert. They don't have to have a harness, though, I'v seen seizure alert dogs with just a leash. They do usually have to have some kind of identifying clothing on, though, so you're probably right on that one.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by kgo on Saturday September 04, 2010 @06:37PM (#1663565)
Who says he didn't?

A logical explanation doesn't change the analogy. I'm aware that S&M Gimps exist. If I went into an Apple Store where someone was being led around by a gimp, and no-one was paying attention, I'd still think that was unusual.

Not to mention that an aside explaining that helper horses exists detracts from the art of storytelling.

Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by ithkuil on Sunday September 05, 2010 @07:56AM (#1664384)
emperor's new horse.

Let's say that I see the horse and I do realize that it's an assistance animal, albeit unusual. If other people doesn't look so surprised I might suspect my ignorance: it seems that all other people know what's going on, and take it as perfectly normal. As I don't want to stand out in the crowd as the only freak who didn't know about this socially accepted habit, I simply play quiet as nothing strange happened.

The same thing could happen in the head of many people and the overall effect would be that of uninterested people not caring about anything.

Group psychology is a very strange and fascinating thing.

(The analogy is with the tale of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperors_New_Clothes)

Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by 10ren on Saturday September 04, 2010 @12:40AM (#1662042)
The psychosis assistance-parrot sounds farcical, but the explanation is utterly logical.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by SteveC on Sunday September 05, 2010 @09:33AM (#1664480)
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by bnchdrff on Saturday September 04, 2010 @08:53AM (#1662599)
way off topic, but i can't resist:

> soon Cox College of Nursing and Health Sciences, where Rose was attending nursing school, refused Richard access, too. Stories started appearing about Rose and her monkey in the newspaper and on TV. “Suddenly,” she told me, “everyone knew I had a mental disorder.”

a monkey on one's back! idiom origin revealed!

Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by ugh on Saturday September 04, 2010 @12:59AM (#1662062)
Ah, that’s were I read about guide horses! Thanks for the reminder. As soon as I saw the photo in the submission the term “guide horse” just popped into my mind but I couldn’t figure out why I knew that term. Now I know.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by 10ren on Saturday September 04, 2010 @10:05AM (#1662712)
I wouldn't have expected horses to be as intelligent as dogs. Probably because I have more experience with dogs. EDIT google's only giving me informal discussions: http://www.petqna.com/other/1014-1-other-petqna.html It seems while they are less intelligent than dogs, they can still give effective assistance.

Aside: I saw a guide dog on a sweltering day in peak summer last year in Melbourne. It was clearly very uncomfortable, licking its lips. But it was also clear there was no chance it would let down its owner. It was touching to see such faithfulness; now I often donate to the guide dogs.

Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by qq66 on Friday September 03, 2010 @11:28PM (#1661914)
Yes, this is the only way a pony would be allowed in the Apple Store, and probably why people are not going to pet it and stuff -- it's not nice to interfere with the behavior of a guide animal.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by bonzoesc on Friday September 03, 2010 @11:42PM (#1661938)
Eh, last time I was at the Apple Store in South Beach a few people had their non-guide dogs inside. A horse wouldn't have been too out of place.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by cglee on Saturday September 04, 2010 @03:03AM (#1662218)
I believe pets are allowed in Apple stores. I've taken my dog several times.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by rokhayakebe on Saturday September 04, 2010 @04:45AM (#1662333)
Guide for? I hope not blindness since the guy seems to be looking at a computer.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by jimminy on Saturday September 04, 2010 @02:11PM (#1663085)
You don't have to be completely blind, the person may just have a severe visual impairment, and thus can still see a monitor in 1-2ft in front of them.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by frossie on Sunday September 05, 2010 @01:26AM (#1664060)
It's probably a mobility horse (and the guy is in a wheelchair). You can use the horse to help you transition from a wheelchair to a chair and so on.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by albemuth on Saturday September 04, 2010 @10:08AM (#1662719)
real life scenario training perhaps?
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by Charuru on Friday September 03, 2010 @11:29PM (#1661916)
I know this is not the topic of submission here either, but I can't help but feel that picture in the wikipedia of the guide horse is horrible abuse. All those straps and chains, UGH. /shudders
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by kyro on Saturday September 04, 2010 @12:17AM (#1662004)
I'd say the abuse is in the fact that Apple hasn't tailored their products to the horse market, leaving horses everywhere feeling unimportant and neglected.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by Terretta on Sunday September 05, 2010 @12:24PM (#1664716)
On the contrary, it was there checking out the Magic Trackpad, perfectly accomodated to a hoof.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by ptomato on Friday September 03, 2010 @11:32PM (#1661919)
Doesn't appear to be significantly different then a normal horse harness. How do you consider it abusive in any way that, say, leashing a dog isn't? Or do you consider that abuse as well?
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by qq66 on Friday September 03, 2010 @11:35PM (#1661923)
Blind people generally tend to be so doting on their guide animals that I'm sure the straps and chains are more than compensated by the shower of love he gets from his owner.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by Mz on Saturday September 04, 2010 @09:58AM (#1662701)
My understanding is that guide animals (and drug-sniffing dogs) are intentionally starved for affection and only showered with loving attention for doing what is needed of them. That is how they are kept useful. Showering them with affection and positive attention at other times actually destroys their usefulness as a guide animal. Or so I have heard.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by ajdecon on Saturday September 04, 2010 @02:56PM (#1663172)
As I understand it: guide animals are generally trained to know when they're "at work" and when it isn't. When "at work", the guide animal is not given affection because it needs to be focused on its task. This is why seeing eye dogs have "don't pet me" signs on them: any kind of affection is a distraction from the necessary task of helping the owner.

When not "at work" (usually there is some signal), it obviously depends on the owner; but most of the disabled people I know pamper and love these animals to death, and they are extremely well treated. They are simply only showered with affection in private, when not expected to be focused.

Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by Mz on Saturday September 04, 2010 @03:06PM (#1663198)
That's good to hear. :-)
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by Charuru on Saturday September 04, 2010 @09:52AM (#1662682)
Straps and chains are never compensated, never.

Give me liberty or give me death.

Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by philk on Saturday September 04, 2010 @12:23AM (#1662019)
I'm not sure how being fitted with two entirely standard pieces of tack (a breastplate and a bridle) counts as horrible abuse.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by HeyLaughingBoy on Sunday September 05, 2010 @05:44PM (#1665249)
Actually it looks like it's just wearing a halter. I think what looks like another piece of tack is just coloration.

In any case this is not abuse (is he a troll or just ignorant?). I've rarely had trouble getting a halter on a horse except for one who doesn't like his ears being touched. My take is that if an animal that's basically 1,100 lbs of muscle (OK,not that one :-) lets you do something, it's not too bothered by it! Horses have absolutely no problem letting you know when they're pissed.

Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by Charuru on Saturday September 04, 2010 @09:30AM (#1662647)
How would you like it if I put a bridle on your face.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by ptomato on Sunday September 05, 2010 @01:40AM (#1664082)
Animals are not people.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by zackattack on Saturday September 04, 2010 @09:58AM (#1662700)
I'm completely with you, but this is not the right place for this discussion. Lead by example (adopt a 100% cruelty-free lifestyle) and let your influence slowly trickle out through your social network.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by Charuru on Saturday September 04, 2010 @04:09PM (#1663307)
I'm not so concerned about the issue that I am willing to agitate on a tech forum, but when I see this I feel bodily distress.

I am not so pleased to see an argument for the banality of evil on what is normally a bastion of liberal hipster moral righteousness either.

Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by pyre on Saturday September 04, 2010 @04:41AM (#1662322)
Well, now we're talking in terms of relativity. You're saying that it's not 'horrible abuse' because it is standard treatment, but this says nothing of whether or not standard treatment is 'horrible abuse.' For example,

   The Jews that weren't killed in the concentration camps "didn't have
  it so  bad" compared to the ones were. But this says nothing of whether
    or not overall treatment of Jews in concentration camps was good or bad.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by philk on Saturday September 04, 2010 @06:32AM (#1662456)
I'm saying that it's not "horrible abuse" because:

a) I've spent a reasonable amount of time around horses;

b) Can see nothing in that photo to suggest the horse has been mistreated or is distressed; and

c) Find this kind of trivialization of animal abuse by someone who has little experience with horses to be offensive nonsense.

There's real "horrible abuse" out there, and this is most emphatically not an example of it.

Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by samstokes on Saturday September 04, 2010 @09:14AM (#1662624)
Whoa, I never expected Godwin to show up in a discussion thread about a horse.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by pyre on Sunday September 05, 2010 @04:28AM (#1664223)
Godwin's law only applies when calling someone a Nazi or comparing someone to a Nazi(s). Godwin doesn't cover the word 'Nazi' or 'Jew' turning up in a discussion.
Re:There is a Horse in the Apple Store by what on Friday September 03, 2010 @11:35PM (#1661922)
At least they gave it running shoes, though it seems to have lost one somewhere.