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Re:Bus Lane Blocked, He Trained His Computer to Catch Scofflaws by CydeWeys on Friday March 16, 2018 @07:42PM (#16604775)
> As for getting doored, well, how are motor vehicles avoiding this? Oh, right, by WATCHING WHAT'S GOING ON.

Motor vehicle drivers don't have to worry much about being doored, as they're way more visible and it isn't life-threatening for them if it does happen. The person opening the door is way more likely to be injured in such a scenario than the driver of the oncoming vehicle.

Also, if we biked the same way we drove cars, that is, in the middle of a full lane, then we wouldn't be at risk of being doored either. I do that on occasion as necessary, but you would not believe how furious drivers get when they're stuck behind a cyclist going much slower than them that they cannot pass.

How about this -- You can make it the cyclists' fault if and only if you can get all drivers to be OK with cyclists taking full lanes of traffic, away from all car doors. This will likely reduce the max speed of vehicle traffic to around 12 mph.

Re:Bus Lane Blocked, He Trained His Computer to Catch Scofflaws by Steltek on Friday March 16, 2018 @08:42PM (#16605002)
NYC has a law requiring cyclists to stay in the bike lane if one is present. Only more civilized cities (like Boston ;) allow bikes to take the full lane. Although traffic moves so slowly there's rarely a point unless the bike lane is blocked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ

Re:Bus Lane Blocked, He Trained His Computer to Catch Scofflaws by CydeWeys on Friday March 16, 2018 @10:24PM (#16605294)
You're missing the point, which is that bike lanes are frequently in door zones whereas main travel lanes are not (because they are much wider and have more buffer zone).
Re:Bus Lane Blocked, He Trained His Computer to Catch Scofflaws by isostatic on Saturday March 17, 2018 @05:55AM (#16606224)
"Also, if we biked the same way we drove cars, that is, in the middle of a full lane, then we wouldn't be at risk of being doored either."

That's exactly how I ride, it's called the primary position and in the uk it's what the government recommend.

Re:Bus Lane Blocked, He Trained His Computer to Catch Scofflaws by CydeWeys on Saturday March 17, 2018 @08:34AM (#16606683)
Drivers lose their shit here if you do that and hold them up. I do it anyway as necessary in more unsafe segments of road.
Re:Bus Lane Blocked, He Trained His Computer to Catch Scofflaws by isostatic on Monday March 19, 2018 @08:57AM (#16617977)
Drivers lose their shit everywhere.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2011/aug/0...

Unless they're going to murder you I suspect you're still safer.

Re:Bus Lane Blocked, He Trained His Computer to Catch Scofflaws by mulmen on Friday March 16, 2018 @08:26PM (#16604955)
I ride a motorcycle and I like breathing.

The other day I was riding down a normal surface street in Seattle and a parked late model Camaro with black windows started its engine and pulled out from the curb in a few seconds. There was no angle that would have allowed me to see if this car was occupied.

I was able to stop in time and avoid an accident but if I had not reacted I would have ended up on his roof. In your opinion was I in the wrong?

You don't sound willing to give cyclists any support when you condemn the entire group for the actions of a few and disregard legitimate threats to their safety.

Re:Bus Lane Blocked, He Trained His Computer to Catch Scofflaws by wkearney99 on Saturday March 17, 2018 @10:35PM (#16610225)
No, you practiced safely operating your motorcycle. More should be as responsible.

I've always been willing to support cyclists but cannot ignore the staggering number of them that completely disregard traffic laws on a near constant basis. And then come online and winge about the risks TO THEM while ignoring the risks THEY impose on others. In the name of what, being able to maintain their momentum? Sure, I'd love to do the same, yet abiding by traffic laws is a bit more valuable that my selfish desires.

Downvote all you like but understand you're downvoting someone that does cycle and has a lot of respect for the challenges presented doing so in an urban environment. You're downvoting someone that favors the activity but has taken the time to point out you're being pompous assholes QUITE a lot of the time when you're out and about on two wheels.

Re:Bus Lane Blocked, He Trained His Computer to Catch Scofflaws by mulmen on Sunday March 18, 2018 @04:14AM (#16610940)
How do you know I am a pompous asshole quite a lot of the time? How do you know if and why I downvoted you?

You seem to be angry at an entire class of people which is unfair to individuals. Your bias strikes me as dangerous.

Re:Bus Lane Blocked, He Trained His Computer to Catch Scofflaws by mikelward on Friday March 16, 2018 @08:59PM (#16605043)
The bike lane is entirely within a door-length. Cars are already on both sides (parked on one side, driving on the other), so cyclists often have nowhere to go. Drivers and passengers being unaware of cyclists is not the cyclists' fault!

A public awareness campaign of the Dutch Reach could help a lot. https://99percentinvisible.org/article/dutch-reach-clever-wo...

As could penalties for endangering fellow road users.