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Re:Zuora S-1 by pg_bot on Friday March 16, 2018 @06:45PM (#16604505)
I have never heard of this company before and if you told me their website was a parody of an enterprise software company I would believe you. It shouldn't take more than 10 seconds for me to understand what you do.

"ZUORA BRINGS FREEDOM TO THE SUBSCRIPTION ECONOMY" What the fuck does that mean!

Re:Zuora S-1 by trjordan on Friday March 16, 2018 @07:56PM (#16604845)
Consider a company that used to sell stuff by the unit. Boxed software, DVDs, whatever.

There is a new world of their product, and even though it's 2018, they're not in it. It might feel like Spotify has won, Netflix has won, and so on, but in other verticals, subscriptions still aren't the norm.

Remember when Dollar Shave Club started selling razors by the month and got bought for a billion dollars? P&G needed to find a way to transition to subscriptions, and they paid up for it.

The subscription economy is a real trend, and it's not something you can just convert to overnight if you have a business that's a going concern. You have to figure out how to put out some new offerings, and the way people pay for these new subscriptions have to work with your existing business processes.

Zuora sells to those companies. Companies that want to sell subscriptions, but can't throw the baby out with the bathwater. They want to work with a company that understands that subscriptions are the new important thing, but not the only thing.

Re:Zuora S-1 by Confusion on Saturday March 17, 2018 @03:28AM (#16605945)
Minor note: Dollar Shave Club was bought by Unilever, not P&G.
Re:Zuora S-1 by clay_the_ripper on Friday March 16, 2018 @06:52PM (#16604545)
I think the importance of a website is vastly overestimated. The only question a business owner generally cares about is “does this solve my problem”. Ive learned pretty quickly when searching for solutions to ignore both smarmy marketing nonsense and slick, perfectly designed websites alike.

Zuora makes a lot of money with their “bad” website, so it obviously doesn’t matter very much.

Re:Zuora S-1 by pg_bot on Friday March 16, 2018 @07:07PM (#16604624)
I would amend that statement to they hope to make a lot of money with their "bad" website.[0] If your messaging is incoherent I will have no idea if you are able to solve my problems in the first place.

[0] "We have incurred net losses in each fiscal year since inception, including net losses of $48.2 million, $39.1 million, and $47.2 million in fiscal 2016, fiscal 2017, and fiscal 2018, respectively, and we expect to incur net losses for the foreseeable future."

Re:Zuora S-1 by jedberg on Friday March 16, 2018 @07:12PM (#16604647)
Maybe they saw this, or maybe they are A/B testing, but I saw, "Zuora creates cloud-based software on a subscription basis that enables any company in any industry to successfully launch, manage, and transform into a subscription business. the subscription economy", which makes a bunch of sense to me.

But it's true, I'd never heard of them either.

Re:Zuora S-1 by endlessvoid94 on Friday March 16, 2018 @06:48PM (#16604520)
It means you aren't their target customer.
Re:Zuora S-1 by manigandham on Friday March 16, 2018 @10:27PM (#16605305)
You're not the right customer.

Interestingly, their sales deck is one of the best (as considered by Andy Raskin who's very good at marketing): https://medium.com/the-mission/the-greatest-sales-deck-ive-e...

Re:Zuora S-1 by erik_landerholm on Saturday March 17, 2018 @12:24AM (#16605604)
How is that good? It basically said nothing. Cool.
Re:Zuora S-1 by manigandham on Saturday March 17, 2018 @12:31PM (#16607675)
I guess it again comes down to "you're not the right customer". They didn't file an IPO because they couldn't make any sales.

Zuora builds payments systems and other services to help companies who want to offer subscription-based products and services - a trend that has been seen in pretty much every industry from software to groceries.

Re:Zuora S-1 by valuearb on Saturday March 17, 2018 @10:58PM (#16610293)
Why did they file an IPO? Revenue growth is unimpressive, they don’t make any money and their product is terrible according to those who have to implement it.
Re:Zuora S-1 by manigandham on Sunday March 18, 2018 @12:05AM (#16610415)
To make money.

Was that a serious question? It doesn't matter if the product is terrible as long as they can make sales, revenue growth looks fine (unless you've built a $100M business in a year?), and they definitely do make money unless you're talking about profit, which in VC-funded companies is traded for faster growth and exit (like an IPO).

Re:Zuora S-1 by valuearb on Sunday March 18, 2018 @12:18PM (#16612644)
“making money” always means profit. Losing horrendous amounts doesn’t “create” money, it burns it.

And its not growing rapdlit, and nor was its $100M in revenues built in a year.

Re:Zuora S-1 by manigandham on Sunday March 18, 2018 @01:47PM (#16613155)
I'm asking you if you've built something bigger and faster to be criticizing the revenue growth, since you claimed it wasn't impressive. How fast were you expecting it to be? Most companies are lucky to get this kind of double digit increases every year, if ever. And profit is what an IPO will let them do. You realize at some point profit does need to happen for the company to stay around right?

I find it strange that you say they aren't growing fast enough but yet say they don't make any money when they are delaying profits precisely for growth. Have you ever actually started or run a business?

Re:Zuora S-1 by valuearb on Sunday March 18, 2018 @09:50PM (#16615683)
Kind of a straw man argument isn’t it? You don’t have to run a company to understand how to value businesses, or that when we are in a bubble Wall Street will try to push out any poop thru an IPO.

In this case, they are nowhere near profitability. They need the IPO to forestall bankruptcy, they are 12 months from running out of cash. Their profit margin is still a massively negative -35%. There are no signs this business can ever be significantly profitable.

And if that’s not good enough for you, companies I’ve founded have raised over $20M in VC funding, and one was 2 months from an IPO we pulled because though we were profitable our growth had fallen to “only” 20%. We sold that business for $100M to a public company.

Re:Zuora S-1 by mgazzer on Friday March 16, 2018 @07:01PM (#16604582)
Website has words, words that don't make sense.

Case in the point, this fucking title tag: Zuora is unifying order-to-cash for a dynamic subscription world

What the fack is order-to-cash and a dynamic subscription world???

Someone needs to put down the dictionary and put their copy through a "grading" tool (https://readable.io/)

Re:Zuora S-1 by unepipe on Friday March 16, 2018 @07:12PM (#16604645)
It means what it says. They simplify how a company can take an order and get the money. It’s a product for businesses.

And dynamic subscriptions means they have a way to change elements of a subscription (term length, renewal period). Dynamic means it’s something that changes.

Re:Zuora S-1 by TYPE_FASTER on Friday March 16, 2018 @08:04PM (#16604875)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quote_to_cash

It's a real thing. I wouldn't have known before I worked on it.

Re:Zuora S-1 by dmode on Friday March 16, 2018 @08:19PM (#16604927)
Order to cash is a core part of any ERP module and SAP and Oracle have been selling it for decades.