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Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by niftich on Thursday March 15, 2018 @04:24PM (#16596228)
As one can see in the installation video from last weekend, the bridge in question was the first span of a larger project, in which at least one other span would have to be installed above an adjacent canal to complete the crossing.

A rendering [1] shows the completed crossing to be an asymmetric harp-type cable-stayed bridge, with cables supporting both the portion above the road (the piece in question), and the piece that's yet-to-be constructed to go above the water. In this design, it's usually not possible to (temporarily) install the cables solely on one side of the tower, as the loads on one side of the tower would collapse the tower.

Therefore, it stands to reason that the cables were either to come into play at the very end, or if the bridge were constructed by cantilevering out from the central tower and attaching cables as you go.

In other words, without trying to pass judgment on the cause, the cables are either a red herring (because the sub-spans are self-supporting), or the bridge was assembled in a terribly incorrect sequence.

[1] http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/w...

Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by Someone on Thursday March 15, 2018 @08:01PM (#16597576)
On the rendering, it seems to me that the part over the water is significantly shorter than the now collapsed part. It also doesn’t look heavier per meter to me, and the tower seems to be perfectly vertical. That would make it impossible to fully ‘hang’ the part over the road from the tower.

=> It is quite possible that the span over the road was designed to be self-supporting.

That would be a non-standard design, but we are so good at building such bridges that ‘being non-standard’ almost has become the standard.

Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by danso on Thursday March 15, 2018 @03:24PM (#16595805)
Apparently the elevated walkway was installed in less than 1 day (with major parts of it being pre-fab). But it sounds like it wasn't the complete project, which was expected to be finished in 2019:

> Once it’s finished in early 2019, the new pedestrian bridge will link FIU’s Modesto A. Maidique Campus directly to the small suburban city of Sweetwater, where the university estimates 4,000 of its students live.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/w...

Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by jandrese on Thursday March 15, 2018 @05:00PM (#16596491)
Is it common for pedestrian bridges to be so overbuilt? Given the weight and span it sounds like it has a cross sectional area of about 75 square feet of concrete (a little less for the steel components, but still a lot) for a mere 15 foot traffic deck. It's not crossing an especially large span nor need to carry any substantial weight other than its own, so why does it need to be so heavy?

Are they expecting trucks to run into it maybe?

Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by cdolan on Thursday March 15, 2018 @05:47PM (#16596791)
People are surprisingly heavy per square foot - multiple times the weight of a car PSF.
Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by CapitalistCartr on Thursday March 15, 2018 @05:29PM (#16596676)
They have to calculate for worst-case scenario. Imagine it were completely full of people. Dancing. Plus, people do ride motorcycles on them if they can get them on.
Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by nugi on Thursday March 15, 2018 @08:18PM (#16597656)
I have a few friends that easily outweigh my full size motorcycle.
Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by jersully72 on Thursday March 15, 2018 @05:54PM (#16596831)
And Mother Nature.
Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by AJ007 on Thursday March 15, 2018 @04:36PM (#16596317)
Are bridges collapsing common? Looks like those involved had at least two other bridge related incidents in the past - http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/fiu-bridge-collapse-constr...
Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by sitharus on Thursday March 15, 2018 @04:45PM (#16596401)
Not major infrastructural bridges, there's a list on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bridge_failures

The US seems to have a lot, but there are a lot of bridges in the US. Construction is pretty risky though, there are often elements that are incompletely supported - engineers do plan for this and ensure they are strong enough.

Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by pram on Thursday March 15, 2018 @03:14PM (#16595714)
It appears that the intended final design includes suspension cables, but it looks like it was installed without them attached?
Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by sitharus on Thursday March 15, 2018 @04:22PM (#16596223)
It looks like a typical cable-stayed bridge. Often spans are installed in advance of cables by omitting heavy elements, like the deck, so the span is self supporting. The cables are then installed and anchored and the deck is fitted.
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Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by macintux on Thursday March 15, 2018 @04:13PM (#16596172)
A little early for jokes about a situation where people are (presumably?) still being rescued/recovered.
Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by matte_black on Thursday March 15, 2018 @05:15PM (#16596579)
That’s putting it lightly. People have certainly been killed.
Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by giarc on Thursday March 15, 2018 @05:14PM (#16596573)
>The $14.2 million project was designed as a cable-supported bridge by MCM and Figg Bridge Design. Figg was hired to design the replacement for a bridge on I35 in Minnesota that collapsed in 2007 and killed 13 people.

1 paragraph later.

>“In our 40-year history, nothing like this has ever happened before,” Figg said.

EDIT - As others have pointed out... I misread these statements.

Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by maxerickson on Thursday March 15, 2018 @05:19PM (#16596611)
They designed the replacement that was installed in 2008. The bridge that collapsed was designed by a different company in the 1960s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-35W_Mississippi_River_bridge...

Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by giarc on Thursday March 15, 2018 @05:28PM (#16596668)
Oh I see... I've edited my comment.
Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by kldavis4 on Thursday March 15, 2018 @05:19PM (#16596605)
They were hired to design the replacement, not the one that collapsed.
Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by mudil on Thursday March 15, 2018 @05:51PM (#16596816)
Famous video of "Galloping Gertie" Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapse in 1940:

https://youtu.be/j-zczJXSxnw

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Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by rm_-rf_slash on Thursday March 15, 2018 @04:39PM (#16596351)
People died.
Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by AndyKelley on Thursday March 15, 2018 @04:47PM (#16596407)
Life is no less funny when someone dies, than it is less serious when someone laughs.
Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by walshemj on Thursday March 15, 2018 @05:03PM (#16596503)
You might not know this but Civil Engineers have a dark sense of humor and for major projects its jokingly said that the gods require a blood sacrifice.
Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by akira2501 on Thursday March 15, 2018 @05:20PM (#16596618)
> its jokingly said that the gods require a blood sacrifice.

Usually we're referring to something like a paper cut or a sharp edge on a prototype.

Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by walshemj on Friday March 16, 2018 @06:52AM (#16599795)
Not in civil engineering large projects are inherently dangerous places to work.
Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by rm_-rf_slash on Thursday March 15, 2018 @06:43PM (#16597104)
My fiancé studied there. She’s still waiting to hear if anybody she knows was crushed under that bridge. This isn’t funny.
Re:Florida Pedestrian Bridge Constructed 5 Days Ago Collapse... by gumby on Thursday March 15, 2018 @05:53PM (#16596827)
People died and FIU offered...yes, thoughts and prayers (look at the end of the article). Sigh.