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Re:First Lightning mainnet release by blattimwind on Thursday March 15, 2018 @01:21PM (#16594748)
So, basically a SEPA wire transfer just without using actual money?
Re:First Lightning mainnet release by siwatanejo on Thursday March 15, 2018 @01:36PM (#16594874)
Right, but using a "virtual" money that doesn't have counterparty risk, and cannot be counterfeited by anyone.
Re:First Lightning mainnet release by blattimwind on Thursday March 15, 2018 @02:24PM (#16595311)
Since when eliminates Bitcoin counterparty risk? Also, counterfeit notes may be an issue, but counterfeit transfers are not.
Re:First Lightning mainnet release by siwatanejo on Saturday March 17, 2018 @06:11AM (#16606266)
Bitcoin is the only non-physical currency you can hold without counterparty risk. (If you have a bank account with EUR, and that bank freezes your account or shuts down because of bankruptcy, yo don't have access to your money.)
Re:First Lightning mainnet release by gruez on Thursday March 15, 2018 @02:43PM (#16595455)
I think he meant counterparty risk on the payment side (ie. no chargebacks).
Re:First Lightning mainnet release by blattimwind on Thursday March 15, 2018 @03:27PM (#16595827)
Wire transfers don't have chargebacks.
Re:First Lightning mainnet release by def_true_false on Thursday March 15, 2018 @05:24PM (#16596644)
From the SEPA Credit Transfer Scheme Rulebook[1]:

A Recall occurs when the Originator Bank requests to cancel a SEPA Credit Transfer. The Recall procedure must be initiated by the Originator Bank within 10 Banking Business Days after execution date of the SCT subject to the Recall.

...

A bank may initiate a Recall procedure for following reasons only:

• Duplicate sending

• Technical problems resulting in erroneous SCT(s)

• Fraudulent originated Credit Transfer

[1] https://www.europeanpaymentscouncil.eu/sites/default/files/K...

Re:First Lightning mainnet release by blattimwind on Friday March 16, 2018 @06:59AM (#16599815)
Fraudulent payments mean things like e.g. a bank itself was hacked.

As an account holder you cannot recall a transfer. It is not possible.

In the past it was sometimes possible to cancel a transfer before it was processed by your bank (so the transfer was not booked yet), but nowadays transfers are processed essentially immediately. Some banks have never permitted this.