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Re:Apple's trouble with TV by tptacek on Thursday September 02, 2010 @04:09PM (#1657478)
Apple's trouble with TV is that it isn't "all of mobile computing", which is what they're busy taking over. A recent article pointed out that the iPhone is to Apple 2010 what search is to Google. Seems about right.

Apple's strategy with TV seems to be to slow-roll it until they get to a place where they can execute a strategy that will dominate it. They can't do nothing, since that would enable competitors to dominate it. They can't revoke everyone's TV. So they launch a "hobby" product to maintain a certain level of uncertainty in the marketplace.

Criticizing the success of the Apple TV in light of that seems somewhat silly. They actually call it a hobby. I assume they're doing the minimum with it that they can actually get away with; any dollar they spend over that minimum is a dollar that isn't going to total domination of mobile computing.

Re:Apple's trouble with TV by ugh on Thursday September 02, 2010 @04:49PM (#1657607)
You are probably right that they are not putting very much effort into it but I think they’re doing ever so slightly more with their newest attempt. Apple TV is a lot less complicated (which certainly helps) and it seems to be very competitively priced.

It looks like you get the iPhone (or iPod touch) guts [+] without screen, battery, cameras and probably a lot less persistent storage (I’m guessing anything between 512MB and 2GB) in a bigger box (most of that space is probably used by the PSU, though). That might just give you a margin when you sell it for $100, but probably not a big one.

I don’t think it will be a hit but I do think it will be more successful than the predecessor.

[+] Gruber seems to have a source that tells him that Apple TV uses iOS and the processor is a A4.

Re:Apple's trouble with TV by tptacek on Thursday September 02, 2010 @04:57PM (#1657636)
Given everything else they're doing with Apple TV, the least surprising explanation for the iOS/A4 thing is that it's just easier for Apple to build new products on that platform. It's probably not a major strategy "tell".
Re:Apple's trouble with TV by ugh on Thursday September 02, 2010 @04:59PM (#1657655)
I agree with you, that was just the expand on the ‘competitively priced’ point. The use of iPhone components (both software and hardware) doesn’t seem very indicative of any big strategy change to me, either.
Re:Apple's trouble with TV by doron on Thursday September 02, 2010 @05:14PM (#1657703)
Calling it a Hobby is a great entry point, as in removing the threat from the usurper on the most cherished media device in the typical american home - the TV, the size of the thing? you don't even need to reorganize your setup. just plop it there.

They are positioning themselves better then say Microsoft is, simply by referring to it as TV something, which is familiar to most people and isn't regarded as a niche market.

Consider the Xbox360, it has a relativity competitive price, all the features the Apple TV has plus, and superior implementation of others (codec support for one), and I am not even mentioning the fact that you can play games on it. (and the networks currently supported on Xbox can be seen here - http://social.zune.net/tv)

The Xbox however, is marketed as a game console, not as a Netflix, Music Video streaming/renting/buying device, that leaves it in a corner that apple is currently free to dominate using their considerable marketing clout.

The form factor and name are unassuming and non threatening, it passes clear below geek radar, but grabs the imagination of the public, in this case even without any clear technical innovation.

Re:Apple's trouble with TV by tptacek on Thursday September 02, 2010 @05:57PM (#1657851)
This is pure speculation on my part, but I think that when Apple starts caring about the set-top, you're going to know about it, because you won't be able to catch a train without seeing 10 billboards about it, and the product offering itself will be so complete that HN users will not be able to shut about how unjust its restrictions are.

The notion that Apple is just lousy at marketing set-top products and that's why this isn't a runaway success beggars belief. Did you see Steve Jobs just collect a huge round of applause for introducing buttons on an MP3 player? Because I just saw him collect a huge round of applause for introducing buttons on an MP3 player.

Re:Apple's trouble with TV by chrischen on Thursday September 02, 2010 @09:19PM (#1658285)
Well the PS3 is sort of marketed as a home entertainment device. "It does everything" and the fact that it supports blu-ray are evidence of that.
Re:Apple's trouble with TV by wmf on Thursday September 02, 2010 @04:43PM (#1657586)
My impression is that the new Apple TV is no longer a hobby and thus criticism of it is fair game. Of course it hasn't even shipped yet, so people can only criticize the idea rather than the sales.
Re:Apple's trouble with TV by tptacek on Thursday September 02, 2010 @04:47PM (#1657597)
Steve Jobs just got up on stage and called it a hobby again.

Look, criticism is fair game no matter what they do. Apple isn't entitled to have the set top industry move at a pace they set. I'm just saying, there's a million things Apple can do to improve Apple TV, but improving Apple TV isn't really the point of Apple TV.