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Re:Surprising Things About School by dpark on Monday March 12, 2018 @04:00PM (#16570990)
The real issue is that we want "means testing" for tuition but almost no students have significant "means". So you either make (at least public) universities free, or you make the rather strange assumption that a bunch of adults will be handed tens of thousands of dollars from their parents. In pretty much no other case do determine social program eligibility of an adult by means testing different adults.
Re:Surprising Things About School by UncleEntity on Monday March 12, 2018 @05:58PM (#16572059)
This is a new thing (not the means testing but the idea behind it) AFAICT.

It was just assumed that if your parents were above the "means" they would help out any way they could because that's what was expected of them as parents.

College was also seen as an enabler and not an expectation for my generation.

Or...if your parents spent all the college fund sending your sister to UCLA you could join the army and emerge as an "adult" so your parents' income wasn't taken into account and get grants and loans on top of the G.I. Bill.

Re:Surprising Things About School by dpark on Monday March 12, 2018 @06:15PM (#16572181)
Of course when college was a stretch but not median-income-barely-covers-tuition expensive, the assumption that parents would cover it were more reasonable. And it was less of an issue if they didn’t since the debt load wasn’t insane.
Re:Surprising Things About School by UncleEntity on Monday March 12, 2018 @06:41PM (#16572368)
True enough...

I don't think my parents could've afforded to send my sister to Stanford back then which is roughly the equivalent to your average state school today (completely guessing here). They probably would've found a way though.

My point still stands though, means testing was intended to get the best and brightest into college even if they're poor, couldn't even imagine Reagan/Bush entertaining the idea of giving middle-class kids a free ride -- in fact I can even picture Reagan on the TV saying "Uncle Sam ain't your baby daddy!"

Re:Surprising Things About School by bzbarsky on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @01:31AM (#16574038)
Or we could do loans with repayment based on post-education income. There are various ways of doing that, of course, with their own sets of problems.

Note that the UK does exactly this, last I checked.

Re:Surprising Things About School by dragonwriter on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @02:18AM (#16574160)
> Or we could do loans with repayment based on post-education income

The US already does this for federal loans, though it's not the default option, and the servicer (Navient) has been accused of actively steering borrowers away from the option, because it hurts the value of the loan-backed securities that Navient sells.

Re:Surprising Things About School by bzbarsky on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @10:21AM (#16576288)
Ah, I did not know this had started happening. Thank you for the pointer!