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Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by wyager on Sunday March 11, 2018 @05:06PM (#16564781)
If I didn’t get paid more to do programming than to do a mindless low-effort job like cashiering, I would absolutely switch to being a cashier and use my mental energy on my own time for my own goals.

Salaries already price in the “interestingness” of jobs.

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Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by icebraining on Sunday March 11, 2018 @05:19PM (#16564852)
If I didn’t get paid more to do programming than to do a mindless low-effort job like cashiering, I would absolutely switch to being a cashier and use my mental energy on my own time for my own goals.

Well, I wouldn't. Dealing with the general public would drain way more of my mental energy than programming. Which leaves us with two anecdotes.

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Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by gremlinsinc on Sunday March 11, 2018 @06:52PM (#16565158)
yeah fuck that... I'm a developer because I'm an introvert, and overweight and want to sit on my ass and NOT talk to anyone all day... anyone who'd rather stand on their feet and do mindless drudgery because they can is insane...

My idea of the perfect worker co-op is where cashiers/programmers earn the same but that 'same' is above market value for the top level employee... so say devs go for 100k, cashiers also get 100k. Since there's no CEO/board/etc demanding 10 million/yr+ each then there's plenty to split.

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Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by icebraining on Sunday March 11, 2018 @07:09PM (#16565224)
Since there's no CEO/board/etc demanding 10 million/yr+ each then there's plenty to split.

Not really; the thing with the rich is that there aren't that many of them. Take the top 1% - their average income (including the people making billions) is $1.15M. Let's redistribute $1.1M of those. ($1.1M * (1% of population)) / population = 1% of $1.1M = $11k. So each person only gets $11k extra.

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Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by rayiner on Monday March 12, 2018 @01:17PM (#16569640)
The top 1% earn 20% of all income. If you got rid of them, everyone could get a 20% raise. E.g. cashier goes from $30,000 to $36,000. Much less to split than people assume.
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Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by dragonwriter on Monday March 12, 2018 @03:25PM (#16570659)
> The top 1% earn 20% of all income. If you got rid of them, everyone could get a 20% raise.

No, that's clearly wrong. If the top 1% get 20% of the income, redistributing their income to everyone else would give everyone else a 25% raise.

20% of 100 is 25% of 80.

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Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by rayiner on Monday March 12, 2018 @04:58PM (#16571565)
You are, of course, correct.
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Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by dctoedt on Monday March 12, 2018 @03:19PM (#16570607)
> everyone could get a 20% raise

So even the people in the 90th- to 99th percentiles would get a 20% raise?

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Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by wolco on Sunday March 11, 2018 @09:44PM (#16565697)
I would continue to program and stop worrying about the sprints, timelines and company goals.
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Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by rayiner on Monday March 12, 2018 @01:18PM (#16569648)
Presumably, you could still be fired.
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