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Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by rayiner on Sunday March 11, 2018 @05:04PM (#16564768)
In a world where that was the expectation for everyone, sure. Professional jobs are a hell of a lot more interesting/rewarding than being a cashier. I don’t think you’d have programmers quitting to do service work if they weren’t making more money.
Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by smsm42 on Sunday March 11, 2018 @06:19PM (#16565047)
How would you create such a word? For that, you'd have to forcefully suppress all voluntary exchanges at labor market, since if somebody can do something others can't, there would be otherwise lots of people offering them more money to do that special things for them. The only way to counter that is to eliminate any freedom in job assignment or distribution of benefits for a job.

You can learn from a historical lesson. Do you know why medical insurance so inherently linked to the employment in the US? Because at the time of WWII, wages were fixed in a lot of places (they could pull it off since a lot of freedom suppression can pass in wartime) but employers still wanted to attract more and better workers. Thus, side benefits like employer paying medical insurance proliferated. If that were banned, there would be some other kind of compensation. Only by centrally regulating absolutely every aspect of life you could ensure this is not happening. But why would you want to live in such society? I lived in one, and it's not much fun.

Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by closeparen on Sunday March 11, 2018 @05:14PM (#16564833)
If I were going to live like a starving artist regardless of career choice, I would become an actual artist.

There’s a reason this strategy was coupled with central-planning assignment of graduates to jobs.

Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by wyager on Sunday March 11, 2018 @05:06PM (#16564781)
If I didn’t get paid more to do programming than to do a mindless low-effort job like cashiering, I would absolutely switch to being a cashier and use my mental energy on my own time for my own goals.

Salaries already price in the “interestingness” of jobs.

Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by icebraining on Sunday March 11, 2018 @05:19PM (#16564852)
If I didn’t get paid more to do programming than to do a mindless low-effort job like cashiering, I would absolutely switch to being a cashier and use my mental energy on my own time for my own goals.

Well, I wouldn't. Dealing with the general public would drain way more of my mental energy than programming. Which leaves us with two anecdotes.

Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by gremlinsinc on Sunday March 11, 2018 @06:52PM (#16565158)
yeah fuck that... I'm a developer because I'm an introvert, and overweight and want to sit on my ass and NOT talk to anyone all day... anyone who'd rather stand on their feet and do mindless drudgery because they can is insane...

My idea of the perfect worker co-op is where cashiers/programmers earn the same but that 'same' is above market value for the top level employee... so say devs go for 100k, cashiers also get 100k. Since there's no CEO/board/etc demanding 10 million/yr+ each then there's plenty to split.

Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by icebraining on Sunday March 11, 2018 @07:09PM (#16565224)
Since there's no CEO/board/etc demanding 10 million/yr+ each then there's plenty to split.

Not really; the thing with the rich is that there aren't that many of them. Take the top 1% - their average income (including the people making billions) is $1.15M. Let's redistribute $1.1M of those. ($1.1M * (1% of population)) / population = 1% of $1.1M = $11k. So each person only gets $11k extra.

Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by rayiner on Monday March 12, 2018 @01:17PM (#16569640)
The top 1% earn 20% of all income. If you got rid of them, everyone could get a 20% raise. E.g. cashier goes from $30,000 to $36,000. Much less to split than people assume.
Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by dragonwriter on Monday March 12, 2018 @03:25PM (#16570659)
> The top 1% earn 20% of all income. If you got rid of them, everyone could get a 20% raise.

No, that's clearly wrong. If the top 1% get 20% of the income, redistributing their income to everyone else would give everyone else a 25% raise.

20% of 100 is 25% of 80.

Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by rayiner on Monday March 12, 2018 @04:58PM (#16571565)
You are, of course, correct.
Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by dctoedt on Monday March 12, 2018 @03:19PM (#16570607)
> everyone could get a 20% raise

So even the people in the 90th- to 99th percentiles would get a 20% raise?

Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by wolco on Sunday March 11, 2018 @09:44PM (#16565697)
I would continue to program and stop worrying about the sprints, timelines and company goals.
Re:Worker-owned businesses: 'We get paid the same regardless... by rayiner on Monday March 12, 2018 @01:18PM (#16569648)
Presumably, you could still be fired.