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Re:An argument that companies should pay users for their data by pbhjpbhj on Thursday March 08, 2018 @11:01AM (#16545137)
I think the problem is at a much higher level - why do companies have this motivation.

It's because we've structured our society (in Western Democracies) so that people grow rich if they can trick you in to buying stuff. The better they are at tricking you, the more they earn. The higher the price compared to the cost, the more they earn. The lower the longevity of the goods, the more chance to sell to you again.

Many of the incentives are towards fooling people rather than creating useful goods that enrich society with minimal environmental impact and maximum longevity.

It's unsustainable and leads to powerful (ie rich) people who are incentivised to parasitically feed on poorer people.

Re:An argument that companies should pay users for their data by wybiral on Thursday March 08, 2018 @11:12AM (#16545232)
I think the problem is at a much lower level... This is the nature of competition and evolution. It's the natural progression of a game called "maximize the resources" where there are no rules against exploitation.

Which is why I think we need more regulation in this particular area to clearly define the rules we want everyone to play by.

Re:An argument that companies should pay users for their data by pbhjpbhj on Thursday March 08, 2018 @11:22AM (#16545315)
What do you mean by "maximise resources", currently Western Capitalism is working towards wasting resources and externalising costs, and marginalising resources, that's going to break with massive environmental and social consequences.
Re:An argument that companies should pay users for their data by wybiral on Thursday March 08, 2018 @11:27AM (#16545373)
I mean on an individual basis.

And I'm skeptical about your assessment that this is merely a problem with "Western Capitalism". This is a problem of any system that doesn't have proper regulations to define the rules of the game in a fair way.

Re:An argument that companies should pay users for their data by ibz on Thursday March 08, 2018 @12:42PM (#16546039)
Who puts regulations in place about how many deer it is "fair" for a wolf to kill? And yet, the system has been running for longer than we are around to know about it. It is however when the humans tried to "regulate" the wolf population in Scotland, for example, that the forests were lost due to deer overpopulation. So I would argue that less regulations make the system regulate itself, which it does better than humans can do.
Re:An argument that companies should pay users for their data by skybrian on Thursday March 08, 2018 @01:52PM (#16546621)
Nature doesn't care whether Scotland has forests or not. Natural events can have catastrophic consequences on the environment. Ice ages and meteor strikes are pretty darn catastrophic. Invasive species were wiping out other species before humans came along (at a much lower rate). Any balance you see in nature will only last until something big enough happens to change it.

Humans have preferences about the environment we live in. When there are things we like and want to preserve, it's up to us to do something about it.

Re:An argument that companies should pay users for their data by wybiral on Thursday March 08, 2018 @01:01PM (#16546196)
Fair enough. But animals don't have to follow the set of ethics/morals that we seem to value as a species.

I'm not saying that this system wouldn't be more prolific or that regulations would somehow cause it to evolve quicker or something. I'm saying that if we want to to work in a way that we believe is ethical and just, then we need to regulate it otherwise it will carry on in a predatory way.

Re:An argument that companies should pay users for their data by pbhjpbhj on Thursday March 08, 2018 @11:38AM (#16545468)
I'm not restricting the domain because i know it doesn't apply elsewhere, only because I'm not familiar with the nuances of other systems.