Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways
by cornholio on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @04:58PM
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I find it unbelievable that a software costing $1000 is the de facto standard. What is their moat, what exactly does it offer that it's impossible to replicate using existing libraries and APIs?
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Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways
by kolpa on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:48PM
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It has a very small but dedicated user-base. You could clone it, but you don't have a market to sell to. You can't just make a lot more blind people to grow the market. (You could, but please don't)
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways
by avtar on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:53PM
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I work at an accessibility research centre in Toronto. When people consult Occupational Therapists for their a11y needs the government here will subsidize a percentage of the software (and hardware?) costs. As far as I know JAWS gets recommended, NVDA doesn't :/
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways
by bramd on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:23PM
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What's the standard really depends on which slice of the world/market you're looking at. NVDA[0] is a very capable screenreader as well and does some things even better than JAWS. It's totally free and open source.
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways
by jbob2000 on Thursday March 08, 2018 @09:50AM
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That's great, but nobody uses it, so we don't target it.
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways
by robin_reala on Thursday March 08, 2018 @10:24AM
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For GOV.UK we came up with a screenreader breakdown of JAWS at 38.5%, VoiceOver at 21.2% and NVDA 12%. That’s not a lot, but it’s not nobody.
https://accessibility.blog.gov.uk/2016/11/01/results-of-the-...
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways
by jbob2000 on Thursday March 08, 2018 @11:07AM
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Thanks so much for sharing your results!
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways
by jareds on Thursday March 08, 2018 @09:16AM
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I bought Jaws 15 years ago before NVDA was out. Because of this it doesn't cost me $1000 to keep using it, it costs me $200 every two years to keep up to date. IT's the only software I know of that offers good 3270 emulator support using third party scripts someone wrote. While it may be possible to make NVDA behave similarly with python scripting it would take more then $200 worth of my time since I'm not a Python programmer. Since I rely on it for my job it's also comforting to know I can call up someone and get help or open a support ticket if something is broken. I have not had to do this recently, but I remember calling up when I switched from office 2003 to 2007 at work because the UI was so different I wasn't sure if I was having accessibility issues or not. Support was helpful and had me working in under 10 minutes.
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways
by sigstoat on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:58PM
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> I find it unbelievable that a software costing $1000 is the de facto standard.
my recollection from speaking to a blind acquaintance is that it is subsidized by some government agency for personal use, and businesses buying it for blind employees are just stuck with it as an ADA thing.
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways
by saagarjha on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:40PM
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> I find it unbelievable that a software costing $1000 is the de facto standard.
Of course, there's always software that costs absurd amounts of money for seemingly simple things; IDA comes to mind. I'm not excusing it, but that isn't to say that it doesn't exist.
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways
by AlexandrB on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:51PM
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> What is their moat
Their moat is that the addressable market is too small for investors to bother investing in.
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways
by cornholio on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @06:15PM
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There are 36 million blind people in the world and other tens of millions with severe impairments. It seems more like the market is too small due to lack of investment and development.