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Re:Facebook’s tracking of non-users ruled illegal again in E... by Silhouette on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @06:42AM (#16528211)
There doesn't seem to be any problem with either totally free or paid services. The potential problem is with business models that are free in financial terms but instead rely on some form of data or advertising for their source of revenue.
Re:Facebook’s tracking of non-users ruled illegal again in E... by zaarn on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @06:46AM (#16528224)
Those services will have to obtain an opt-in for users and can't deny services based on opt-in, yes.

Essentially the GDPR makes such a business model almost unsustainable. IMO rightfully so.

Re:Facebook’s tracking of non-users ruled illegal again in E... by Silhouette on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @11:21AM (#16529778)
I have very mixed feelings on this one.

Personally, I value my privacy. I don't tend to use services like Facebook, mostly because I don't want to encourage that sort of perpetual surveillance or volunteer that much data about myself (or encourage my friends/family/colleagues to do so for me) to be used for purposes I don't fully understand.

On the other hand, apparently there are literally billions of people in the world who disagree with me. Most people I know demonstrably are willing to give up some privacy in return for the convenience that Facebook provides to them.

Requiring such a business to allow users more control over how data about them is being processed is one thing, and there are pros and cons that reasonable people can debate in that area. But I'm not sure the EU has any moral/ethical right to dictate that business models that have supported highly successful businesses with literally unprecedented levels of popular support should no longer be viable, and the conditions we're talking about here look awfully close to allowing that.

Re:Facebook’s tracking of non-users ruled illegal again in E... by zaarn on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:37AM (#16534882)
>But I'm not sure the EU has any moral/ethical right to dictate that business models that have supported highly successful businesses with literally unprecedented levels of popular support should no longer be viable, and the conditions we're talking about here look awfully close to allowing that.

I would say that being popular does not correlate with being good and moral. Being successful does not correlate with being good and moral either.

>Most people I know demonstrably are willing to give up some privacy in return for the convenience that Facebook provides to them.

The patient is not always right. A lot of people would give up privacy for facebook because in the faustian bargain, the short-term benefit outweighs the long-term consequences.

Re:Facebook’s tracking of non-users ruled illegal again in E... by hannnoi on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @11:21AM (#16529782)
Hopefully it specifies opt in instead of opt out. I can't tell you how many things I've forgotten to do while being conscientious because it was just so out of the way.
Re:Facebook’s tracking of non-users ruled illegal again in E... by zaarn on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:34AM (#16534869)
GDPR wants absolutely undeniable consent including that if you give consent, the corporation involved has to keep proof that you consented. It is very much opt-in.
Re:Facebook’s tracking of non-users ruled illegal again in E... by rmc on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:48AM (#16535576)
Yes it's opt-in, and consent also has to be as easy to withdraw (at any time) as it is to give.