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Re:The Higher Education Bubble: It's About to Burst by hga on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @08:22AM (#1652535)
The problem here is that these are not asset backed, at least in the collateral sense. A house can be foreclosed on, a car repossessed. You can't take away the education someone's gained, although I suppose you could force schools' registrars to not confirm the granting of a degree, but that could still be proven in a variety of ways.

The concern is that too many would immediately declare bankruptcy after finishing their education, wait out the 7? years it takes to for that to fall off their credit report and then get on with their lives. Since few new graduates need serious credit for anything beyond cars....

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Re:The Higher Education Bubble: It's About to Burst by chopsueyar on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @08:57AM (#1652619)
Please substantiate the claim "The concern is that too many would immediately declare bankruptcy after finishing their education".
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Re:The Higher Education Bubble: It's About to Burst by chopsueyar on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @09:03AM (#1652640)
The loan is the asset, both in cases of student loans and mortgages.
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Re:The Higher Education Bubble: It's About to Burst by hga on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @10:46AM (#1652906)
Are you talking about derivative securities built on top of loans?
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Re:The Higher Education Bubble: It's About to Burst by chopsueyar on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @06:58PM (#1654626)
A pool of loans.

https://www.salliemae.com/about/investors/debtasset/slmsltru...

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Re:The Higher Education Bubble: It's About to Burst by hga on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @07:18PM (#1654663)
Well, I've been talking about the loans themselves, which by definition are not "assets": "Anything tangible or intangible that is capable of being owned or controlled to produce value and that is held to have positive economic value is considered an asset. Simply stated, assets represent ownership of value that can be converted into cash..." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset).

Therefore securities built on top of these loans, such as the pools you refer to in your link, are by definition not "asset-backed-securit[ies]". They are instead backed by e.g. the laws and regulations that make them non-dischargeable ... and I contend that's a major reason why they are non-dischargeable.

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Re:The Higher Education Bubble: It's About to Burst by chopsueyar on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @07:39PM (#1654714)
I don't mean to spam you with Sallie Mae links, but clearly you can see the heading of this page...

https://www.salliemae.com/about/investors/debtasset/

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Re:The Higher Education Bubble: It's About to Burst by hga on Thursday September 02, 2010 @08:53AM (#1655995)
From one of the links: "... financial characteristics and servicing information related to the underlying student loan assets...."

The student loans themselves are assets (the fit the above definition), my point is that they themselves are not asset based like a house or car loan.

Sallie Mae's use of the term "asset" here might be slightly misleading, but being essentially part of the government they can get away with it.

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