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Re:Canada to Scrap IBM Payroll Plan Gone Awry Costing $1B by manofstick on Thursday March 01, 2018 @02:59PM (#16495620)
New Zealand in the 90's was trying to have an integrated policing system designed by IBM which burnt a lot of money (in the order of 100 million) and was abandoned [0].

I was working with one of the companies that came along to replace one part of the system with a much smaller component that just handled that individual piece and vividly remember the meeting with the IBM team. They had no code to show me, but they handed my a massive folder - probably verging on 10cm thick of use case diagrams. So many little stick figures staring up at me I was awestruck - but not in a positive way!

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INCIS

Re:Canada to Scrap IBM Payroll Plan Gone Awry Costing $1B by abraae on Thursday March 01, 2018 @03:17PM (#16495807)
Yep, INCIS was a cockup of massive proportions.

I remember interviewing a BA (business analyst) who had just come off of the INCIS project. She said their entity model was enormous, with tens of thousands of entities.

I couldn't understand how any project could have so many entities, let alone how anyone would ever hope to code up such a thing.

She said the commandment to the analysts was to model everything so they did, just like they learnt in data modelling 101.

So (INCIS was a project for the NZ Police), e.g.:

- A police station has zero or more cells

- A cell has one or more doors

- A door has one and only one key

- A door has many bars

Another data point in INCIS - my sister at the time worked in the police. Her workplace ran out of pencils (they did a lot of note taking with pencils and paper). INCIS had so thoroughly depleted the police's budget that there was nothing left for...say.. computers with email and the like.

Re:Canada to Scrap IBM Payroll Plan Gone Awry Costing $1B by toomanybeersies on Thursday March 01, 2018 @06:10PM (#16497273)
More recently, NZ had the Novopay debacle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novopay

The software itself, before fixing it, cost $182mm and covered payroll for 90,000 teachers. That's over $2000 per teacher. It cost another $45mm to fix it after this.