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Re:Why I Quit Google to Work for Myself by MadBohr on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @01:52PM (#16485582)
Yes that's true, which is why I said "why not both?" The manager should do more, but so should the employee. Sitting there and saying "I'm blocked, woe is me" is garbage compared to saying "I'm blocked. Can you please help me Mr/Ms XYZ?"
Re:Why I Quit Google to Work for Myself by epicureanideal on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @02:47PM (#16486128)
I think your specification of a "correct way to report a problem" is company specific, or your personal preference, or the way that you think an ideal problem report would be stated.

We're humans. Unless there's been a training day or a Readme file explaining HOW to report a bug, I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect this protocol to work:

"I'm blocked!"

"Why?"

"{reason}"

If nobody ACKs the "I'm blocked" message, it's reasonable for someone to think that nobody cares or nobody is listening. This is a normal human protocol, as used in most human environments.

"{problem}!"

"What's happening? How can I help?" (any considerate person nearby responds)

Re:Why I Quit Google to Work for Myself by mratzloff on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @11:07PM (#16489594)
"I'm blocked because on compile I get such-and-such error message and I don't know how to fix it. Who is the right person to ask about this?"

I just cut your protocol complexity by half. ;-)

Re:Why I Quit Google to Work for Myself by kirkules on Thursday March 01, 2018 @12:02AM (#16489803)
S/he wasn't proposing a protocol, but describing a naturally occurring one.
Re:Why I Quit Google to Work for Myself by dzamo_norton on Thursday March 01, 2018 @01:58AM (#16490202)
Same complexity, just less chatty.
Re:Why I Quit Google to Work for Myself by pm90 on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @07:09PM (#16488522)
You will get a lot of downvotes for making that statement here... but let me just say I agree with you 100%. The people I see that get the most work done aren’t the ones crying publicly for help on a nebulous problem, but asking very specific questions about specific problems. In cases one doesn’t make progress, escalate to the manager giving details about exactly what is going on, how many times you reached out to another team and got no answers. That gives the manager ammunition to talk to their peers on other teams or escalate to higher ups.

It’s rather unrealistic for the manager to be understanding all the time and coax a team member to give all details of every problem...

Re:Why I Quit Google to Work for Myself by JBlue42 on Sunday March 04, 2018 @03:21PM (#16516466)
That's how I was taught (via managers on reddit actually, not irl).

Dig as far as you can, record it all, then escalate. You also have to gauge how critical it is and how much of your time (esp. if other things are building up) to spend on it as a factor of when to take it up the line.

Tbh, I haven't had any managers lately that have been that great but I'm still holding out hope.

Re:Why I Quit Google to Work for Myself by thereare5lights on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @06:25PM (#16488235)
It takes a certain kind of person to interpret ""I'm blocked" as "I'm blocked, woe is me" instead of "I'm blocked. Can anyone that sees this help me?"

Those people should never be managers.

Re:Why I Quit Google to Work for Myself by bitcraft on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @08:54PM (#16489069)
I disagree. A manager should be skeptical to ensure everyone is pulling their weight and being truthful.
Re:Why I Quit Google to Work for Myself by thegayngler on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @10:56PM (#16489564)
If they don't trust the employee they need to fire them.
Re:Why I Quit Google to Work for Myself by bitcraft on Thursday March 01, 2018 @08:29AM (#16491734)
I agree with you that employees that you cannot trust should be fired. Skepticism doesn’t necessarily mean lack of trust. It’s possible to trust dishonest people and without a skeptical view to be aware that people may be dishonest, even in small ways, it is easy to fall into that trap of trusting good liars.
Re:Why I Quit Google to Work for Myself by orbitur on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @02:42PM (#16486078)
The employee needs to be taught that. If they've entered the workforce without that knowledge, then it's their manager's responsibility.
Re:Why I Quit Google to Work for Myself by TheSpiceIsLife on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @09:03PM (#16489103)
> What a complete lack of individual ownership. Even the best manager can't help somebody who is unwilling to help themselves.

> Source: am a manager.

> I'm blocked, woe is me" is garbage

As a manager, are you prepared to put your real name to these comments?

Re:Why I Quit Google to Work for Myself by mrep on Thursday March 01, 2018 @12:49AM (#16489967)
> As a manager, are you prepared to put your real name to these comments?

This is an anonymous public forum with a massive audience and great content. Let's keep it civil and not target individuals. Please don't try and start witch hunts to ruin someone's career just because you do not agree with him.

Re:Why I Quit Google to Work for Myself by stevep98 on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @10:54PM (#16489556)
I don't see what his real name has to do with this
Re:Why I Quit Google to Work for Myself by some_account on Thursday March 01, 2018 @01:51AM (#16490167)
The way you talk makes me think you don't like people very much, which is really bad in a manager.