I use Hangouts on my phone and computer to chat with friends and family on phones, computers, and tablets. If Hangouts gets deprecated I won't switch to Allo (I don't even think it's available on tablets), I will switch to something without Google.

Seriously if there is a plan to deprecate Hangouts, then it should not use back the same brand for GSuite to confuse users.

Do not understand why the need to have separate app for video chat, especially the one consumer facing. WhatsApp, WeChat etc all combine text, voice and video chat in one.

They might deprecate hangouts and replace it with hangouts chat, and you might not really see the difference.

On your second point, I wonder that as well.

This seems right.

The tricky part is what will they do in Gmail? Gmail is used by businesses and currently has Hangouts Chat built in. But Gmail is also used by consumers so will they have allo integrated into that too?

Gmail seems like a big entry point for chat - not sure how they are going to solve that one if they split up the chat products as you suggested.

The point is that business and personal overlap for a lot of us. I don't want separate products.

Are my professional contacts business if we're socializing?

Are my personal contacts personal if they are also clients?

I don't segregate my life cleanly into business/personal and I certainly don't want to double the number of installed apps because marketing.

Counterpoint: I don't message my group of friends over Slack to socialize. And I don't message my teammates and coworkers over Whatsapp groups to organize projects.

Counter-Counterpoint: My group of friends has a slack channel that we use essentially as an IRC chatroom where we organize long term events, plan evening activities, and chat about an assortment of topics. Nothing about Slack makes it less useful as a personal communication tool as opposed to business communication.

Does something about this new app make it less useful as a personal communication tool as opposed to business communication, for the use case of how you communicate with your friends?

"Hey George, how are those TPS reports coming? Also, do you wanna get drinks after work?"

"I'll have those reports for you by EOD. Please send me a message on Facebook Messenger about that non-professional inquiry."

I just don't see it happening like that. I have people I contact on both Messenger and Slack, and while I tend to keep professional communications to Slack and personal to Messenger, they bleed over.

No reason why you can't have a product which is focused on enterprise, but has a free consumer version.

I'd guess that in the real world outside Hacker News and SV, very few people use email for consumer communication, that role has been taken over by messaging apps. Personal email became a personal business tool, and its usage isn't that different from the regular business usage.

So gsuite, which includes gmail, the new hangouts products and google drive/docs is now focused on enterprise with a free consumer version available.

I think you're underestimating email. My almost 70 yrs old mother constantly exchanges mails with her friends. None of them use any chats.

> My guess is that the original hangouts will be deprecated

The original Hangouts is not yet retired but I thought that Google was clear as far back as the 2016 enterprise focus announcement that the future of Hangouts was as a business communication platform within G Suite and that consumer Hangouts is deprecated.

Which is stupid. They have no consumer messaging application that works across devices to migrate to. If they kill off Hangouts, it will cause a bigger backlash than killing off Reader did.

Reader, and its shut down, were mostly irrelevant for Google.

Which is why I said it will cause a big backlash, not that it would impact revenues.

Allo works on Android/iOS/Web.

Hangouts can't be fully deprecated though unless they plan on killing off Google Project Fi.

They will certainly kill Fi. It will be of no use anymore soon. Already is in Europe.

Except they've started expanding their plans to include family plans, etc.

There is no indication that it will be getting killed off anytime soon. Also since they're a phone provider they can't just shut down. It'll take them years of bleeding money to finally shut down Project Fi.