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Re:The Feds Can Now Probably Unlock Every iPhone Model by pessimizer on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @08:54AM (#16482939)
You left out why that's different from Guantanamo, and instead just defended it generally.
Re:The Feds Can Now Probably Unlock Every iPhone Model by rayiner on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @09:14AM (#16483063)
Presumably guelo thinks Guantanamo permits the US to do things that would be illegal here. But breaking an iPhone pursuant to a warrant wouldn’t be. Having a warrant (or a suspect in custody) permits the government, by design, to do lots of things that would otherwise be illegal. The government doesn’t need to ship safes to Israel to avoid violating safe cracking laws when searching pursuant to a warrant.
Re:The Feds Can Now Probably Unlock Every iPhone Model by cryoshon on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @09:25AM (#16483137)
>implying the government asks for a warrant for many of their invasive activities

they don't play by their own set of rules.

Re:The Feds Can Now Probably Unlock Every iPhone Model by rayiner on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @09:36AM (#16483228)
Ah yes, the old “government does X, so i’m going to speculate it also does Y, and it’s up to you to prove otherwise” trick. Arguing on the Internet is so much fun when we get to just make things up.
Re:The Feds Can Now Probably Unlock Every iPhone Model by veidr on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @10:13AM (#16483474)
Come on now, there are literally thousands and thousands of thoroughly documented cases of law enforcement and government agencies violating the law.

The Israel == Guantanamo thing doesn't exactly make sense to me either, but now you're arguing nonsense. Certainly, we all know that the government, including law enforcement, doesn't always follow the law.

That's almost the entire argument for putting any limits on governmental power at all.

(That's not to say we should restrict them from doing this, though; if they can crack a phone, good for them, I suppose. But it's another thing to be concerned about.)

Re:The Feds Can Now Probably Unlock Every iPhone Model by rayiner on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @12:39PM (#16484873)
There's thousands of law enforcement agencies in the U.S., handling tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of cases each year. If they break the law with respect to a small percentage of those cases, you'll end up with thousands of examples. But with respect to any given thing, statistically, the government is probably not breaking the law.

Here, the "Israel == Guantanamo" thing doesn't make sense if you assume that the government is using the Israeli hacks to break iPhones it has in custody because of a warrant or arrest. You can speculate that the government is stealing peoples' iPhones and breaking into them without a warrant, but it's an actual logical fallacy to point to different things the government is doing to argue that the government is doing this thing too.