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Re:What Critics Don't Understand About Gun Culture by jacknews on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @12:05AM (#16480801)
"At the end of this process, your life has changed for the better."

Not really. Life would change for the better if the bad guys found it very difficult to obtain and keep possession of weapons, so the rest didn't have to play the arms race. Of course, since we don't know who's bad and who's good, that means everyone should find it extremely hard to buy and possess. Angry ex-boyfriends would then probably not be (fire-)armed unless they were, or willing to become, serious criminals.

The whole "responsible ownership", and "guns don't kill people, people do", argument also appears broken. It is not legal to own a cruise missile for example, so clearly the weapons themselves are the problem, and there is a level of destructive power beyond which individuals should not be trusted.

IMHO that level should be drawn lower; everyone gets crazy or depressed sometimes, we should reduce the potential for severe consequences.

And even an AR-15 isn't going to be much help against an oppressive government, as the tanks roll down the street, so the whole 2nd amendment argument seems very weak too.

Re:What Critics Don't Understand About Gun Culture by chrismcb on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @12:12AM (#16480828)
Why do you think the "guns don't kill people" argument is broken? A gun is merely a tool that a murder uses to kill. After the gun control act in Australia the number of people killed didn't change much, just the method of killing them. The problem with most gun control arguments is it ignores the fact that someone choose to kill someone. The fact they choose to use a gun isn't really relevant.
Re:What Critics Don't Understand About Gun Culture by jacknews on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @12:25AM (#16480879)
Not true, Australian homicide rate reduced substantially. Gun deaths and injuries of course reduced very substantially. And many gun deaths and injuries are not premeditated murders, but accidents, suicides, and "heat of the moment" situations.

If "guns don't kill people", we'd trust (good) people to wield cruise missiles. Clearly the weapons do kill people.

Re:What Critics Don't Understand About Gun Culture by CompanionCuuube on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @12:48AM (#16480975)
We do trust good people with grenades/rockets/missiles. They're classified as Destructive Devices by the BATFE and you as a citizen can apply for approval to own them.

As for cruise missiles, those are covered by international treaty so outside the scope of discussion.

Re:What Critics Don't Understand About Gun Culture by chrisaycock on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @12:47AM (#16480972)
From Australia's own crime statistics: "Homicide in Australia has declined over the last 25 years. The current homicide incidence rate is the lowest on record in the past 25 years."

http://crimestats.aic.gov.au/NHMP/1_trends/

Re:What Critics Don't Understand About Gun Culture by CompanionCuuube on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @12:52AM (#16480990)
"The US is safer than ever — and Americans don’t have any idea"

America also had a decline over the last 25 years.

https://www.vox.com/2015/5/4/8546497/crime-rate-america

Re:What Critics Don't Understand About Gun Culture by adamrezich on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @12:54AM (#16480998)
The same could be said of the US (as of 2014, at least)! https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-30/chicago
Re:What Critics Don't Understand About Gun Culture by Caveman_Coder on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @12:15AM (#16480838)
> "...and there is a level of destructive power beyond which individuals should not be trusted."

What about hunters and people who use firearms to obtain some of their food? Not everybody lives in a major metro area with access to the latest food delivery startup.

Re:What Critics Don't Understand About Gun Culture by iamnotlarry on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @12:59AM (#16481019)
I am not anti-gun, but this argument tends to trigger me. What "level of destructive power" do you really need to feed your family? Not much. A single-shot rifle would suffice.

I have neighbors who own dozens of guns. Some of them hunt. They don't hunt with the Gatling guns or automatic shotguns or any of the really impressive stuff. And yes, there are some pretty impressive guns in my neighborhood. But when they hunt, they break out a .308 or .30-06 or even a little .270. Bolt-action. Their hunting rifles carry 5 shells.

So let me offer a different answer. With what level of destructive power should George Washington have been trusted? Or Sam Houston? Is a cannon too much? With what level of destructive power should anti-Assad Syrian rebels be trusted? Or Ukrainians fighting a Russian incursion? Are shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles a little overkill? If you lived on the Estonian border, what might you be willing to own in partnership with some like-minded neighbors? If you lived in a remote mountainous region and were surrounded one day by "officials" who shot your domestic animals, your wife, and your house without explanation, what level of destructive power would you wish to possess? Would it make a difference if that mountain was located in Idaho? Or Yugoslavia?

You trust individuals with F-22s and tanks. You trust BLM employees with sniper gear. BLM!!? You trust individuals with bombers and nuclear submarines and nuclear warheads. You may justify this as not trusting individuals, but those things are literally in the hands of individuals.

This month a SWAT team was called out against a local police officer. Both sides were trusted with major fire power including grenades and assassin robots, and with major defensive gear. If it takes a SWAT team to deal with a cop having a bad day, what recourse are the neighbors allowed?