Re:Inside the OED: can the world’s biggest dictionary surviv...
by my_first_acct on Sunday February 25, 2018 @07:16PM
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According to someone on Stack Exchange, quoting the NY Times, quoting the Chief Editor of the OED [1], 'there are for the verb-form alone of “run” no fewer than 645 meanings'. Other common words with huge numbers of meanings include "put" and "set".
[1] https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/42480/words-with...
Re:Inside the OED: can the world’s biggest dictionary surviv...
by Nition on Sunday February 25, 2018 @07:38PM
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And I'm sure some of those are obscure meanings, but the likelihood is I'm never going to look them up. Exclude those many definitions of "run" and either make the dictionary a bit smaller (easier to search) or include several rare word definitions in the same space.
Re:Inside the OED: can the world’s biggest dictionary surviv...
by dragonwriter on Sunday February 25, 2018 @10:24PM
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Removing a handful of thousands of common words won't make the OED noticeably shorter, and it's not space constrained anyway.
And I don't think a rare use of a common word is any less likely to be looked up than a rare word.
Re:Inside the OED: can the world’s biggest dictionary surviv...
by Nition on Sunday February 25, 2018 @11:10PM
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I don't mean the full OED. Personally I have a Pocket Oxford and a Concise Oxford. Both are space constrained. The Pocket Oxford in particular has around 60,000 words so leaving out the most common 5-10K would make a noticeable difference. Since it's the complex words that get left out in small dictionaries, as you decrease dictionary size, the size saving that you'd get from removing common words proportionally increases. But you might be right that it wouldn't make enough of a difference, since small dictionaries can also fit less words in total. It might never be enough to matter much.
Re:Inside the OED: can the world’s biggest dictionary surviv...
by mmjaa on Monday February 26, 2018 @03:08AM
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I want exactly the opposite - to be able to construct dictionaries where there are no words used in definitions that don't also have their own entries. To me this is a key feature of a dictionary - definition completeness.
And its one of the reasons I'd like to know about the toolset used to construct dictionaries - I'd give anything to be able to throw a word set at these tools, have a custom dictionary constructed from it, and repeat until unity...
Re:Inside the OED: can the world’s biggest dictionary surviv...
by Nition on Monday February 26, 2018 @05:20AM
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I actually assumed that was already a general rule, because any word I've ever cross referenced in a dictionary has always been there. In fact, in the diminutive "Little" Oxford[1] there are few enough words available for definitions that you can get stuck in a loop between two words! Although there's always at least one other synonym word in the definitions.
[1] https://www.amazon.com/Little-Oxford-English-Dictionary/dp/B...
Re:Inside the OED: can the world’s biggest dictionary surviv...
by mmjaa on Friday March 02, 2018 @03:47AM
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I'd really love to know the technology behind lexicography, as a state of the art. If anyone works in this field, any pointers you might provide are highly appreciated.
I understand that unity is a difficult thing to attain in dictionaries, but perhaps there are tools and methods used by lexicographers that I need to learn about, as an interested party.
Re:Inside the OED: can the world’s biggest dictionary surviv...
by haZard_OS on Sunday February 25, 2018 @09:47PM
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I know this isn't exactly what you meant but I have found it surprisingly useful (and fun!):
https://www.amazon.com/Thinkers-Thesaurus-Sophisticated-Alte...
Sure on rare occasions you'd look up something that was left out, but that already happens in the other direction (towards rare words) because that and the are taking up space where more difficult words could have been included. Smaller dictionaries often don't have the word I wanted, but do have a ton of words I'd never need to look up.