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Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by loxias on Sunday February 25, 2018 @12:27AM (#16457297)
Confirming basically everything I already suspected about IOTA -- don't trust anything crypto related that's not written by a professional. "You're gonna have a bad time."

[Edit to add this plug for Zcash! Made with real cryptographers]

Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by emmelaich on Sunday February 25, 2018 @01:28AM (#16457473)
> You're gonna have a bad time."

A major wake-up call for me in the crypto currency world was Gavin Andresen's ludicrous "validation" of Colin Wright as Satoshi.

When a so-called leader clearly does not even understand the basics you realise it's 98% shit. Sturgeon's law applies again. But I keep on forgetting that.

Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by loxias on Sunday February 25, 2018 @01:43AM (#16457526)
The crypto world has certainly inspired me to pursue whole new fields of research. Not in cryptocurrencies, because while the idea of a distributed ledger I think is solid and here to stay, but because at least 90% of these "currencies" must have their value drop to zero given a long enough time frame -- there's simply no reason for the market to support anything else.

No, for the past half a year or so I've been trying to learn all I can about market microstructure, quantitative finance, anything that makes money off of high variance.

Because if there's one thing I will bet on, it's that there's a ton of risk and volatility here in these hills, and there's probably money to be made somehow while it all crashes and burns.

Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by charleslmunger on Sunday February 25, 2018 @02:29AM (#16457690)
This is an extremely dangerous way to think - it preys on the natural irrationality of the human mind. Someone is out there laying bait of all kinds. Iota is bait for people who think they barely missed out on bitcoin, but this new thing with buzzword salad as it's description and a lead developer that has clearly lost touch with reality will make then rich.

Then there's the second level bait - since there are all these suckers out there, surely money can be made by predicting them!

And then it's turtles all the way down. You won't know if you're a sucker or at the very top level until it all comes crashing down.

Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by zby on Sunday February 25, 2018 @02:32AM (#16457697)
Why do you think it was ludicurous? Admittedly I don't remember any detailed account of these events - but as I understand it Wright demonstrated that he can construct a message with Satoshi private keys. Most probably he used some trick there, a rigged laptop or maybe even rigged internet connection. But it was quite reasonable proof for me - I would not expect someone to do tricks on me when he could not demonstrate the same thing publicly - because what would be the goal of that? And if you are so sure that you could not be tricked - then good luck.
Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by emmelaich on Sunday February 25, 2018 @02:59AM (#16457779)
Quote from http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36202904

> But critics called Dr Wright's claim into doubt when it emerged that part of the evidence the entrepreneur presented in public could have been generated using a string of digits linked to a seven-year-old transaction made by Satoshi, accessible via a search engine.

"It was a mistake to agree to publish my post before I saw his - I assumed his post would simply be a signed message anybody could easily verify," Mr Andresen told security researcher Dan Kaminsky when he challenged the scientist over the matter.

Also

https://www.wired.com/2016/05/craig-wright-privately-proved-...

Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by hatsunearu on Sunday February 25, 2018 @01:48AM (#16457548)
>Gavin Andresen's ludicrous "validation" of Colin Wright as Satoshi

I'm out of the loop; do you have any good summaries of this incident?

Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by emmelaich on Sunday February 25, 2018 @03:00AM (#16457781)
See above
Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by eastWestMath on Sunday February 25, 2018 @01:25AM (#16457460)
I recognize one of the IOTA foundation's members. I won't say his ego wasn't out of control and several professors asked him to take down "papers" from arxiv for being sloppy.
Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by eastWestMath on Sunday February 25, 2018 @02:35AM (#16457708)
Smart contract languages are pretty funny - I have yet to see an actual programming language theorist weigh in on them. I read one blogger who was very excited about the type system he was making for his language, but he never actually explained what a type-safe smart contract would entail (i.e. what invariants are encoded into the type system, why do these invariants do the thing, etc).
Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by IntronExon on Sunday February 25, 2018 @12:35AM (#16457314)
One priceless line from Ethan Heilman to support that observation: Probably best not to use informal stackoverflow answers and Wikipedia for understanding the security of your system.

Yowza.

Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by loxias on Sunday February 25, 2018 @12:44AM (#16457346)
I know, right?

I read through the whole exchange and kept thinking "How are they managing to be so polite, to these rank amateurs who show no respect?" I probably would have informed them of the flaw, informed them when I was publishing, informed of a suggested fix then piped all the rest to /dev/null.

I also positively love the use of "push it to the limit".

Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by eastWestMath on Sunday February 25, 2018 @02:50AM (#16457745)
It honestly gave me flashbacks to a few email chains I've had with students in my tutorials. It's really obvious when someone is asking for clarification but it's not in good faith

"Can you explain to me what you think I did wrong in my program? I can assure you everything is correct. Otherwise you're clearly drunk and out to get me."

Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by bri3d on Sunday February 25, 2018 @12:51AM (#16457371)
I quite enjoyed

> Did you receive the invite? We can also setup a chat with our ex-NSA post-Quantum hash function experts after we get the initial confusion out of the way.

Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by hatsunearu on Sunday February 25, 2018 @01:39AM (#16457510)
Are you sober?

hahahaha fuck me, this is good stuff.

Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by Tomte on Sunday February 25, 2018 @08:51AM (#16458928)
Obviously Sergey isn't mean, but it's just unfortunate phrasing, because he is a non-native speaker, learning English from Java documentation, right? ;-)

Neha's "I'm going to stop responding now." should have come much earlier.

Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by flaminghedge on Monday February 26, 2018 @12:36AM (#16463355)
This was from David not Sergey.
Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by flyGuyOnTheSly on Sunday February 25, 2018 @12:42AM (#16457335)
IOTA is one of the only crypto currencies in the green today, however.

Which is the real "yowza" imho.

Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by sheepz on Sunday February 25, 2018 @01:58AM (#16457587)
This is because this information is celebrated as proof that there was in fact "no vulnerability in IOTA and it was all FUD" by Reddit (and possibly elsewhere) https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7zztey/full...
Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by loxias on Sunday February 25, 2018 @12:47AM (#16457356)
The market can remain irrational for longer than you can remain solvent.
Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by IntronExon on Sunday February 25, 2018 @03:21PM (#16460959)
Did you also invest in Juicero? How about Magic Leap? Enron?

Being in the green just means you’ve convinced a critical mass of greedy, ignorant people that you’re a winner.

Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by whymauri on Sunday February 25, 2018 @03:55PM (#16461117)
What's wrong with Magic Leap? Just curious, I've never heard anything negative.
Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by IntronExon on Monday February 26, 2018 @10:47AM (#16466082)
Sorry about the slow reply, it’s a very reasonable question you’re asking.

http://www.kguttag.com

Let your fingers do the walking.

Re:Email exchange between MIT Media Lab and the IOTA Foundat... by whymauri on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @12:18AM (#16471252)
Thank you :)