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Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by tristanj on Saturday February 24, 2018 @02:53PM (#16454974)
The title is a bit misleading. This directive seems to target 3rd party H-1B contractors such as Tata and Infosys, rather than 'High Tech' companies that directly hire engineers such as Google, Apple, and Microsoft. Companies that hire H-1Bs directly and employ them onsite shouldn't be affected by this policy change.

I think the linked CNN Money article provides a better explanation of the motives behind this change http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/23/technology/h1b-visa-abuse/in...

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by nonamechicken on Sunday February 25, 2018 @08:08AM (#16458734)
I think it targets the small consultancies that operate in US. This is where I have seen all the scams happening. These consultancies don't bring people from India, they hire Indians who did MS in US (I am Indian, so only know about them), mostly those on OPT. Those people are desperate for a job (if they don't get H1B within I think 18 months, they have to go back) and are willing to do anything. Most of them come to study in US after taking big bank loans and it would be a lose for them to go back if they can't work for at least 2-3 years in US.

>That's when firms bring on H-1B visa holders but don't give them work and don't pay them the required wages while they wait for jobs.

I can 100% guarantee that the top Indian companies do not engage in this practice. Every single one of them have a policy that if the H1B employee doesn't have a project for 2 weeks to 1 month, they must go back to India. And they get paid the full amount mentioned in their offer letter for the duration they are in US. And they are also paid for expenses that arise from having to go back to India. This includes lease breakage, air fare for the H1B holder and their family and a few other expenses. For "benching", the only exception I have seen is the Indians they hire from US. Those people get to stay on bench until the company can find a new project for them. But they are still paid in full.

>if an employer can't prove the H-1B holder is "more likely than not" needed for the full three years, the government might issue the visa for fewer than three years.

This has already been the case. I have seen many H1Bs getting visa approved only for 1 year.

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by echevil on Saturday February 24, 2018 @05:05PM (#16455712)
Precisely! Anyone familiar with this issue would know this is actually helping major high tech companies. But to most Americans who don't really know what is the deal with immigration, why let a chance to attack Trump administration go? :)
Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by wheretolive on Saturday February 24, 2018 @07:15PM (#16456332)
This isn't going to help high tech companies.

EB1-C is a Green Card category for multinational managers. It is supposed to be used to move job creating foreign nationals to US.

Till 2010, the body shop and consulting companies didn't use it much. However as rule tightened since 2010, these companies started using EB1-C to most low cost labor to US and delaying Green Card for everyone else.

With EB1-C you can get Green Card within an year, cutting in line in front of everyone else from India.

With this ruling, these companies are going to double down on EB1-C.

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by eddieplan9 on Saturday February 24, 2018 @11:31PM (#16457141)
This is like criticizing cracking down on bank robbing by saying that now the criminals are going to rob restaurants instead.
Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by wheretolive on Sunday February 25, 2018 @12:41AM (#16457330)
This isn't criticizing bank robbing. It's just saying that cracking down on the bank robbing, might not make restaurants any safer. Only claim was that restaurants (hitech companies might benefit).
Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by echevil on Saturday February 24, 2018 @07:57PM (#16456480)
Just one more thing to fix then.

Even if these companies wants to double down on EB-1C, it’d still be much harder to bring in low skill tech workers as “multi-national managers”

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by DaiPlusPlus on Sunday February 25, 2018 @05:24AM (#16458219)
I understand companies like Tata have job-titles like “Account executive” for (relatively) low-level employees which meets the “Executive-level employment” critter and rule for EB-1 classification - even though the term “executive” is clearly overloaded and inappropriate in this context.
Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by jameshart on Sunday February 25, 2018 @11:53AM (#16459788)
USCIS aren't fooled by job title inflation. Applications for these sorts of visas require substantial supporting documentation - typically org charts, detailed descriptions of responsibilities, resumes of people who report to the visa applicant, evidence of compensation commensurate with the claimed responsibilities, etc.
Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by tinus_hn on Sunday February 25, 2018 @04:48AM (#16458109)
‘Cracks down on abuse’ doesn’t really sound like an attack.
Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by rdtsc on Saturday February 24, 2018 @11:13PM (#16457090)
Not just this but I've seen this in general last year. Reminds me of the media in a communist country: they better insert "glory to people's party" somewhere in the piece to increase the chance of passing the censorship filter. Here they have to somehow mention Trump. They could be talking about interior decorating, but unless they bring up Trump they won't get it approved by the censors.
Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by adamrezich on Saturday February 24, 2018 @03:00PM (#16455021)
In my experience attempting to get an entry-level programming job at Microsoft (while I lived in the area), they get a lot of hires through hiring agencies, all of whom ask you what your legal residence status is as their first question (which I have to say is highly discouraging when being unable to score an entry-level CS job in one's own country).
Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by jameshart on Saturday February 24, 2018 @10:16PM (#16456917)
The question employers are supposed to ask is whether you are legally authorized to work; 'residence status' is not relevant (and indeed you could get into trouble for refusing to hire someone who is authorized to work on the basis of their visa/residence status).
Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by nocman on Sunday February 25, 2018 @08:05PM (#16462254)
Well, I guess it depends on the actual wording that was used, and I'm by no expert on the subject (by any stretch of the imagination). However, some visa's require sponsorship, and as far as I know it is perfectly legal to not hire someone if they are in the process of getting (or are planning to get) a visa that requires a sponsor -- in other words, they are expecting your company to sponsor them.

There are financial and legal reasons why a company might not hire you if you were in this situation. There is more hassle for the company, and additional expense. They may or may not think any particular candidate is worth the additional hassle and expense. So it is a perfectly legitimate question to ask ( again, assuming it is asked in an appropritate manner ).

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by jameshart on Monday February 26, 2018 @07:57AM (#16464927)
Right - if you need a sponsored visa to work then, until you have that sponsorship, you are not authorized to work in the US. So if you ask someone this question, and they answer ‘no’, then if you really want to hire them anyway you can look into sponsoring them for a visa. But if they answer ‘yes’ (and provide the necessary documentation to prove it), you aren’t then supposed to care how they acquired that authorization.

This is complicated a little for transferable sponsored visas like the H1B. Someone already on an H1B might reply ‘yes’ to the work authorization question, but with the caveat that you would need to take on their sponsorship. Technically, their answer should be ‘no’. They aren’t authorized to work for anyone other than their sponsoring employer, in a specific location, with a specific job title. As I say, the point is that if the answer is ‘yes’, not ‘yes but’, or ‘no’, then you’re not permitted to discriminate. Asking someone with work authorization questions about their visa type should be as much of an interview no-no as asking a candidate if she’s pregnant.

Only exception is certain jobs can place citizenship requirements because of security clearance requirements.

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by plorkyeran on Saturday February 24, 2018 @09:52PM (#16456862)
I'm not sure what's supposed to be notable about that? The only company I've ever interviewed with that didn't ask what my legal residence status was very early on in the process was a startup with a poor understanding of employment law. You can't assume that people who can't actually legally work for you won't apply for jobs anyway and asking it later would just waste your time.
Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by walshemj on Saturday February 24, 2018 @08:10PM (#16456531)
That's pretty much standard for all recruitment agencies in the USA and EU as they want to avoid being fined heavily.

I am not sure but in the UK employing some one without the legal right to work has no defence even if they had perfectly forged passports/documents.

I had to (as some one with all 4 grandparents being natural born uk citizens) have had to take my birth certificate to register at a local high street agency.

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by mancerayder on Saturday February 24, 2018 @10:01PM (#16456885)
I've never not been asked my residence status, ever, in direct or agency hires, in my entire career.

It's most likely (almost certainly) a legal obligation. Each time I had to furnish a SS card as well. A non-citizen SS card has a disclaimer on it saying it's not valid for work authorization alone.

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by HarryHirsch on Saturday February 24, 2018 @10:27PM (#16456935)
I've never not been asked my residence status, ever, in direct or agency hires, in my entire career

You probably have been asked for documentation that gives you permission to work. The Department of Labor has a list somewhere (can't find it right now) of what constitutes a work permit, and the employer has to accept anything that conforms.

My wife ran into a particularly obstinate HR drone once who wouldn't accept what she had. She asked company counsel if her documentation was in order and received a phonecall from HR to please come in and sign paperwork before the day was over. Yes, federal law has teeth.

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by theandrewbailey on Saturday February 24, 2018 @11:48PM (#16457195)
It's not the Department of Labor, it's the Department of Homeland Security.

https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/acceptable-documents/list-...

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by sudouser on Saturday February 24, 2018 @11:47PM (#16457187)
lucky you
Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by dang on Sunday February 25, 2018 @02:27PM (#16460670)
Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by dang on Saturday February 24, 2018 @06:40PM (#16456169)
Ok, we've changed the URL and title to that from https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/23/588469561.... Thanks!
Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by yanslookup on Saturday February 24, 2018 @07:15PM (#16456330)
The current title, implying abuse by Infosys, Tata et all is hyperbolic borderline xenophobic.

If the way Infosys and Tata use the H-1B visa is abuse then so is how Microsoft, Google and Facebook use it.

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by digitalzombie on Saturday February 24, 2018 @07:56PM (#16456477)
"Trump Administration Restricts H-1B Worker Visas Coveted By High Tech" is the title.

> If the way Infosys and Tata use the H-1B visa is abuse then so is how Microsoft, Google and Facebook use it.

Infosys and Tata enable companies to abuse H-1B laws. Disney use them.

Your statement also imply that Microsoft, Google, and Facebook is abusing too and no difference between Infosys and Tata. There is a small difference that I've stated but all of them are abusing it.

The point of contention is not that the Indians are stealing our job. The point is the people who are using H-1B visa are unable to negotiate wages which depresses their American counterpart wages.

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by cornholio on Sunday February 25, 2018 @06:15AM (#16458388)
> The point is the people who are using H-1B visa are unable to negotiate wages which depresses their American counterpart wages.

That's just a rephrasing of "they're taking our jobs": rejecting foreign competition of similar qualification because it's cheaper.

I don't think there is nothing wrong per se with this position; it would be impossible to maintain any decent standard of living for the middle class citizenry with an open border policy where everyone from Afghanistan or Centrafrican Republic can freely enter the country and claim any low level job available. Many of such jobs, the result of government spending specifically aimed at economic development and creation of opportunity, so in limited supply in the short run.

Where this policy backfires and turns to rent seeking is protecting very well paid professionals from foreign competition simply because they have the adequate lobbying power. The economic progress is retarded and consumers pay much more for the services of those professionals - doctors are a good example.

Ideally, the visas should be granted simply to anyone making a high enough paycheck (with criminal liability for anyone artificially inflating it). If you are making more than $100.000 net per year, you are in absolutely no need of protection from unfair foreign competition, as such a measure pushes the increased price of your work onto the rest of citizens who earn less, possibly much less.

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by gowld on Sunday February 25, 2018 @01:22PM (#16460314)
Mass labor being paid to much is somewher around #837 in the list of problems we need to solve.
Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by product50 on Saturday February 24, 2018 @08:18PM (#16456559)
Don't generalize that Indians are stealing your jobs. Google has 1000+ eng roles open at this time - if Americans are qualified, then they can totally get all of them. The fact of the matter is that America does have talent shortage for high end tech roles. Also, this misconception that Indians are paid less for high end roles is purely that - if you are able to crack Google eng role, you will get paid $200k+ or more depending on your level.

Note that I am making a distinction between Google eng roles and those tech roles which Infosys and TCS hire for. For the latter the play is cost arbitrage such as replacing Disney engineers with Indian eng who can do the same work for lower cost.

However, I want you to be aware of the real talent shortage which is present there on the high end tech side.

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by bradleyjg on Saturday February 24, 2018 @10:06PM (#16456899)
I agree with the general gist of what you are saying. But specifically with respect to Google, should a company that openly admits it optimizes for a low false positive rate even though it knows that means a high false negative rate really be sympathized with when they say they can't find enough people?
Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by product50 on Sunday February 25, 2018 @04:57PM (#16461419)
WHat are you talking about? If you have ever worked in top tier companies (which it seems you haven't), you will notice how much time, energy and money they spend on recruiting good engineers and still come well short of their targets. Be real, open your eyes and stop diverting.
Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by bradleyjg on Sunday February 25, 2018 @05:28PM (#16461574)
Did you even bother reading and understanding before responding? You didn’t say anything at all about false negatives vs false positives. You gave no indication that even understand those concepts. Instead you choose to brag about your work experience and tried to put me down based on a wild guess about me.

Did you really think this response was going to convince anyone of anything? If you are so smart maybe try applying that intellect to your reading comprehension and communication skills.

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by product50 on Sunday February 25, 2018 @05:40PM (#16461623)
I don't care what you think and whether I can convince you of anything.

Your response about false positives and false negatives is a strawman argument. Why does a low false positive single out non Indians and not Indians? Also, this is not only a phenomenon with Google - the same is true for Facebook, Amazon, Netflix etc. All have 100s (if not thousands) of eng roles open right now and is up for grabs whoever is qualified.

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by jstanley on Saturday February 24, 2018 @09:02PM (#16456700)
> Infosys and Tata enable companies to abuse H-1B laws

How is helping all people of the world compete fairly abusing the law? Aren't we all free people of the world? Why should anybody be privileged just because he was born in a certain country?

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by kamaal on Sunday February 25, 2018 @01:33AM (#16457489)
>>Your statement also imply that Microsoft, Google, and Facebook is abusing too and no difference between Infosys and Tata.

This is largely true. These days Microsoft and Google do not outsource to Infosys and Tata. They set up their own centers in Bangalore, that way they can even quality control at many levels and the net result is the same.

The fact that Infosys and Tata aren't involved is just a minor detail here. Practices as a net do not change.

Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by lawnchair_larry on Saturday February 24, 2018 @07:23PM (#16456364)
Microsoft, Apple, and Google, among other big tech companies, are some of Tata and Infosys’ largest clients, so it’s not as clear cut as it might seem. They get to avoid hiring more “expensive” FTEs by using these body shops.
Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by coupdetaco on Sunday February 25, 2018 @01:22PM (#16460313)
Large software companies pay premiums. Tata, Infosys, Cognizant, et cetera are the bad actors. https://www.economist.com/news/business/21714994-it-firms-ne...
Re:Trump administration cracks down on H-1B visa abuse by andy_ppp on Sunday February 25, 2018 @04:23AM (#16458037)
Is this about stopping more non-white people from coming to the US?