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Re:Citi to Refund $330M to Credit Card Customers It Overcharged by ivraatiems on Friday February 23, 2018 @02:26PM (#16448648)
The cost to who? The banks who have to follow them? Or to consumers of the services they impact?

It's not a fair comparison. The purpose of regulation in this case is to protect consumers of bank services - including other banks. Those costs are only calculable if you know the full scope of the bad behavior, which, without appropriate regulation ensuring reporting and review, you can't.

Of course, if you don't believe banks ought to be regulated in order to protect their customers, it doesn't matter. But that's a different conversation.

Re:Citi to Refund $330M to Credit Card Customers It Overcharged by conanbatt on Friday February 23, 2018 @02:27PM (#16448659)
If you cant know, then you can never make the claim that the regulation is good, which is what OP said.
Re:Citi to Refund $330M to Credit Card Customers It Overcharged by ivraatiems on Friday February 23, 2018 @02:29PM (#16448678)
That isn't what I said. I said you can know. But only if you provide some amount of regulation to mandate reporting of reliable information.

The claim is actually the opposite: You can never make the claim that no regulation is good, because you don't know what you don't know.

(But you absolutely can still make that claim, in fairness; you just can't base it on a cost-benefit analysis from the customer's perspective.)

Re:Citi to Refund $330M to Credit Card Customers It Overcharged by conanbatt on Friday February 23, 2018 @05:36PM (#16450223)
The burden of proof is on the creation of regulation, because it requires active effort to implement and maintain.

The OP said that this shows why regulation gets good results, and I challenge the evaluation by saying we have seen the benefit of this particular regulation, but not the cost.

You argue that is hard to know both the cost and the benefit of regulations. I argue that if you cant gauge it, then you can never conclude if its good or bad.

I rather put the responsibility of proving itself to the guys with the battons.

Re:Citi to Refund $330M to Credit Card Customers It Overcharged by ivraatiems on Friday February 23, 2018 @10:18PM (#16451442)
> You argue that is hard to know both the cost and the benefit of regulations. I argue that if you cant gauge it, then you can never conclude if its good or bad.

Here's where the trick is. I'm not saying "you can't gauge it"; you even acknowledged in the previous sentence that that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's complex, because in order to gauge it, you must have some of it, otherwise there is no way to produce reliable metrics.

Yes, that requires incurring some cost. But the risk of much higher costs comes down dramatically once the initial cost is paid, because the information it provides makes us able to avoid greater costs down the road.

What you're saying is that if we can't build a tower all in one go, we can't build it at all. I'm saying we can do it in reasonable stages, but we have to lay a strong foundation first.

Re:Citi to Refund $330M to Credit Card Customers It Overcharged by conanbatt on Saturday February 24, 2018 @03:47AM (#16452393)
Okay. What was the cost of this already implemented regulation?
Re:Citi to Refund $330M to Credit Card Customers It Overcharged by s73v3r_ on Friday February 23, 2018 @05:09PM (#16450057)
Wrong. This error was caught, and otherwise likely would not have been. That's good.
Re:Citi to Refund $330M to Credit Card Customers It Overcharged by conanbatt on Friday February 23, 2018 @05:36PM (#16450229)
At what cost?
Re:Citi to Refund $330M to Credit Card Customers It Overcharged by s73v3r_ on Friday February 23, 2018 @05:48PM (#16450293)
A lower cost than not requiring the bank to do this, and simply letting them pocket the money.
Re:Citi to Refund $330M to Credit Card Customers It Overcharged by conanbatt on Friday February 23, 2018 @07:03PM (#16450712)
How do you know its a lower cost? what has been the cost of this regulation in the banking industry?