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Re:Benchmarking Google’s new TPUv2 by joe_the_user on Friday February 23, 2018 @12:38PM (#16447845)
So this is a chip that no one outside of Google is going to be able to get a physical copy of ever?

It makes any benchmarks become Google-cloud benchmarks, right?

Edit: I am complaining a bit about the lack of availability but there's also a real point here. If there's no source for TPUs outside of Google, Google Cloud competes only with other cloud providers and with owning physical GPUs - long term, it has no incentive to be anything but little bit more efficient than these however much it's price for producing TPUs declines.

Re:Benchmarking Google’s new TPUv2 by dgacmu on Friday February 23, 2018 @12:55PM (#16447966)
It's going to be a very exciting multi-company arms race -- at minimum, Google, Intel, Nvidia. Microsoft has their FPGAs, Amazon has their rumors. And there are several startups trying to enter the space. I don't think we're looking at stagnating; very much the opposite. It's going to be fantastic for the field.

(I'm saying this with my CMU hat, not my Google hat.)

Re:Benchmarking Google’s new TPUv2 by joe_the_user on Friday February 23, 2018 @01:05PM (#16448024)
I would not see things stagnating but it seems like there's a potential for the individual to get cut out of this excitement if each of these entities is keeping it's chips close to it's chest.

The era of the mainframe, with each provider competing with a custom chip, wasn't necessarily beneficial for individual buying computer power.

Re:Benchmarking Google’s new TPUv2 by ucaetano on Friday February 23, 2018 @01:36PM (#16448272)
Industries go through cycles of innovation and concentration. During innovation cycles, many new non-standard products appear with innovative solutions, the entire pie grows really fast. As growth eventually stabilizes, standards become more relevant and consolidation happens, eventually leading to a stagnation that makes the industry ripe for disruption and change again.

If you look at processors, you see that with the early custom processors, followed by some standardization and copy around the IBM S/360, followed by more proprietary innovation around the PC era, resulting finally in the x86, eventually disrupted by the mobile chips, which then consolidated around ARM and so on.

Re:Benchmarking Google’s new TPUv2 by jxy on Friday February 23, 2018 @02:55PM (#16448898)
I second this.

With cloud computing, we are essentially going back to the era of time-shared mainframes with remote access.

Re:Benchmarking Google’s new TPUv2 by borramakot on Friday February 23, 2018 @10:26PM (#16451472)
What are the Amazon rumors?
Re:Benchmarking Google’s new TPUv2 by dgacmu on Saturday February 24, 2018 @02:21PM (#16454778)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2...

The (expensive) report from The Information upon which that article was based speculates a little more about chips for training.

Re:Benchmarking Google’s new TPUv2 by puzzle on Friday February 23, 2018 @06:58PM (#16450686)
Making it available outside would require hiring more people and doing more work that they don't need right now.

For a while, it's very likely that Google will be the main user of these, so there's still plenty of incentive for it to increase efficiency and reduce costs.

Re:Benchmarking Google’s new TPUv2 by azinman2 on Friday February 23, 2018 @12:45PM (#16447900)
I thought they were going to provide to other cloud providers? I’m also guessing if you’re willing to purchase a lot of them then they’re willing to talk...
Re:Benchmarking Google’s new TPUv2 by joe_the_user on Friday February 23, 2018 @12:56PM (#16447973)
I'd be interested if anyone has details.

It may be that the other cloud providers would then sell them to those individuals. Indeed, the job of entities called "distributors" to buy big lots from manufacturers and break them up.

And of course, I don't know what the point of (apparently) keeping them out of the average person's hand would be.

Re:Benchmarking Google’s new TPUv2 by newbuser on Friday February 23, 2018 @01:18PM (#16448131)
For starters, Google especially for enterprise level hardware is known to limit their need to provide customer support; imagine supporting the chip would fall on Google, not any 3rd parties.