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Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by nabla9 on Sunday February 18, 2018 @04:42PM (#16408890)
How is "I voted for Trump" (and I don't regret it) not controversial?

I understand that there are many people who voted for Trump, but that does not mean that the opinion is something that should be considered being in line with the norms of the free society and far past conservative viewpoint.

(Not in the sense that you have no right to your opinion, in the sense that person having that opinion loses the respect of others.)

Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by downandout on Sunday February 18, 2018 @04:52PM (#16408944)
Again, this is a perfect example of the absurd overreaction that Valley liberals have to the idea that someone might have some conservative views. You sound like you voted for Hillary...do you endorse every single thing she has ever done and said? Did that "I'm with her" shirt you probably bought apply to the Clinton Foundation scandal and the use of an unsecured private email server for classified emails? Probably not.

It's the same with Trump. Some voters - many millions of them - overlooked his many flaws and voted for him, for any of a variety of reasons. That doesn't automatically make them racists, bigots, sexists, idiots, or any of the other labels that liberals like to put on Trump voters. I'm not even endorsing a specific viewpoint here - I'm just saying that instantly ostracizing someone from their workplace social scene (if not their job altogether) based on one data point that by itself means next to nothing is wrong.

Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by seanmcdirmid on Sunday February 18, 2018 @05:02PM (#16409005)
I can understand why someone would vote for Romney, McCain, Bush, Dole, but for the life of me I assume that if you voted for Trump you were ok with everything that was known about him; e.g. you believe it is OK to talk about grabbing pussies in the locker room. Trump is special, never before have we had a candidate on either side like this, at least Bill Clinton appeared to be ashamed about his BJ in the whitehouse.

That really has nothing to do with Silicon Valley specifically, Trump supporter has become a bad word in many big cities that Bush supporter never was.

Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by berberous on Sunday February 18, 2018 @05:28PM (#16409193)
How old are you? I remember people crying when Bush won in 2004. I remember some girl refusing to date a friend of mine because he voted for Bush. Bush received plenty of vilification, which if you are young, is easy to forget given the left now views him like an adorable goofy grandpa. The hate was intense at the time. (Although yes, it’s worse for Trump).
Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by seanmcdirmid on Sunday February 18, 2018 @05:39PM (#16409252)
Old enough to remember Bush’s popularity sky rocketing after 9/11. Bush received plenty of vilification from the extreme left, but the moderate left were willing to go along with him as long as everything worked out (which is why he won in 2004). Bush was incredibly likable and didn’t come off as profane even to those that hated his politics.

The thing about Trump is that the moderate left and even many from the moderate right (my uncle never voted for a democrat until 2016) are mostly disgusted with the guy. It isn’t really about politics as it is about human decency against sexism, racism, and so on.

Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by Chris2048 on Monday February 19, 2018 @07:01AM (#16412346)
> you believe it is OK to talk about grabbing pussies in the locker room

Talk is cheap. There's little reason Trump has sexually harassed anyone more than Bill Clinton - and Hillary still sticks by him.

Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by seanmcdirmid on Monday February 19, 2018 @11:20AM (#16413736)
I don't think even Trump has sexually harassed Bill Clinton.
Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by nabla9 on Sunday February 18, 2018 @05:08PM (#16409050)
> Clinton Foundation scandal and the use of an unsecured private email server for classified emails? Probably not.

This is false equivalence. People like Clinton might appear corrupt for republicans and Dick Cheney might be horrible for democrats, but Trump is in completely different plane.

>workplace social scene (if not their job altogether) based on one data point that by itself means next to nothing is wrong.

What you think is the threshold where political opinion can become personal? When your family is deported?

Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by downandout on Sunday February 18, 2018 @05:16PM (#16409111)
You missed my point. I was saying that all candidates have flaws, and people find reasons to vote for them anyway. Whether you voted for Trump or Hillary, you were voting for a flawed candidate. It is only your personal political bias that makes Trump in "completely different plane".
Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by nabla9 on Sunday February 18, 2018 @05:25PM (#16409178)
>your personal political bias that makes Trump in "completely different plane".

Of course. Everything does. It's just of general description of reality.

Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by ameister14 on Sunday February 18, 2018 @07:21PM (#16409809)
>What you think is the threshold where political opinion can become personal? When your family is deported?

Hilariously enough, Clinton and Obama deported far and away more people.

Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by dragonwriter on Sunday February 18, 2018 @07:36PM (#16409880)
Trump deported more people already living in the US; Clinton and Obama deported more at the border, by enough that total deportations were higher.
Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by ameister14 on Sunday February 18, 2018 @07:43PM (#16409907)
Actually, Clinton deported more in both ways. We weren't counting people deported at the border as deportees at the time.
Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by DrScump on Monday February 19, 2018 @02:49AM (#16411402)
Turning away somebody at a border is not deportation.
Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by dragonwriter on Monday February 19, 2018 @11:31AM (#16413802)
It's part of the deportation stats and the only things that makes the “Trump deported more than Obama” thing even technically true.

Obviously, yes, there is a substantive difference between removing someone who has only entered so far as the border checkpoint is on the US side of the border and removing someone who has been living in the US. That's the whole point of pointing it out.

Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by ameister14 on Monday February 19, 2018 @07:59AM (#16412575)
Well, it's been counted that way since the 2nd bush administration
Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by greglindahl on Sunday February 18, 2018 @05:22PM (#16409157)
Absurd overreaction? I haven't seen that, but I do see people complaining that their free speech causes others to also speak.
Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by HumanDrivenDev on Sunday February 18, 2018 @04:48PM (#16408930)
How can something half the US voters did be controversial?

The norms you mention are obviously not where you think they are. I think you may be out of touch.

Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by newnewpdro on Sunday February 18, 2018 @05:07PM (#16409045)
Half the US? Citation needed.

Last I checked it was only slightly more than half the eligible voting population that actually voted in the presidential election.

Popularity is quite orthogonal to controversy regardless. Our current president is controversial, and it can be argued that controversy is the very thing responsible for the votes he received.

Re:Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon ... by FeepingCreature on Sunday February 18, 2018 @06:37PM (#16409581)
Voting for the candidate you prefer should always be considered in line with the norms of free society.

That is, you know. One of those norms. A rather important one, too.