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Re:Just teach my kid the math by ColinWright on Sunday February 18, 2018 @06:43AM (#16405591)
> And teachers are trying to teach how to make change?

No, the "making change" comment is an example of how these techniques of thinking about numbers do turn up in real life.

> I understand “anchoring to fives and tens” but I don’t understand why anyone thinks it’s a good way to do anything except confuse kids.

It's a part of a broader strategy to talk about the structure of numbers and the operations on them.

> Does independent research prove these approaches increase numeracy?

Yes. I don't have access to it and can't give you any links, but there has been a lot of research about how to move away from the rote learning of algorithms and move towards understanding what numbers are and how they work. I've seen some of the research as a peripheral part of some of the projects I've been involved with, and it seems that these sorts of exercises really do serve to help students see more about what's really going on.

The problem is the parents pushing back because they don't understand it, and don't believe it can be useful or helpful. For me, it seems obvious that this is a better way to think about things.

Re:Just teach my kid the math by garmaine on Sunday February 18, 2018 @09:50AM (#16406297)
I’m a parent and I object not because I don’t understand it — it’s not too difficult to pick up — but because it completely misses the why of math. Being able to mentally estimate numbers or do simple arithmetic is a good skill, but having universal algorithms for solving problems and describing the universe is really what math is more about. I can trace my trajectory into computer science all the way back to practicing multiplication tables and discovering that I could multiply numbers in long form too large to fit in my head and yet get the exact result. It is the power of the algorithm. My kids are entirely missing that in their common core education...
Re:Just teach my kid the math by dahart on Sunday February 18, 2018 @10:56AM (#16406606)
> having universal algorithms for solving problems and describing the universe is really what math is more about.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. What universal algorithms are there currently for solving problems and describing the universe? And why are these universal algorithms more important than estimation skill in practice?

Are you suggesting that there's always only one true way to do things in math, and that the quest for the one true way is the only noble pursuit?

FWIW, to me that sentence somewhat reads like a pre-conceived idea about math that could possibly impede your appreciation for valid alternative approaches.

It's worth considering that in computing, the algorithms that have been used for math in processors and standard libraries have been changing dramatically ever since the first transistor. And it's not because the newer algorithms are more universal, it's often because we're simply making different tradeoffs over time. Sometimes it's because better algorithms are being invented, because the algorithms we thought were great turn out to be not universal. Sometimes it's because a new fast approximation formula is discovered that is accurate to the precision of the machine.

There's very little in computing today that is "universal", despite the pedagogical emphasis on this abstract idea. There are, however, lots of algorithms that are canonized. Math constructs that seem universal because everyone knows them and they're popular, and alternatives aren't well known, enough that it becomes hard to imagine the alternatives.

> My kids are entirely missing that in their common core education...

Are you absolutely certain that's true? Common core, as the author pointed out, is still required to teach the old algorithms. Are you sure you're not having an emotional reaction to not quite understanding why some of the new methods are there and/or being unfamiliar with them? Your reaction here is exactly what this entire post was addressing.

Re:Just teach my kid the math by JeremyBanks on Sunday February 18, 2018 @10:32AM (#16406475)
Traditional elementary math teaches you algorithms without discussing why they work or the cases where they break down. They seemed arbitrary and untrustworthy. I'm glad that worked out for you, but I don't think many students get the same value.
Re:Just teach my kid the math by dorchadas on Sunday February 18, 2018 @11:11AM (#16406677)
Part of the problem with this is that I feel elementary school teachers often lack understanding of why the math works. I remember hearing horror stories of people taking the Praxis and all the elementary teachers freaking out about the math -- one even said she had failed that section three times! It doesn't bode well that these are the people teaching our kids how basic math works. And it does show when they get to secondary schools.
Re:Just teach my kid the math by MarkMc on Sunday February 18, 2018 @11:50AM (#16406860)
> It is the power of the algorithm. My kids are entirely missing that in their common core education...

From the article, "the Common Core State Standards in the U.S. still requires student fluency with these algorithms"

> Being able to mentally estimate numbers or do simple arithmetic is a good skill

It's not just about the ability to estimate or do simple mental arithmetic. Look at this example from the article: "Describe three ways to see why 35 x 12 is 420". Knowledge of these 'three ways' provides a deeper conceptual understanding of multiplication. I want my students to have a shot at deriving the algorithm for multiplication, not just implementing it.

Re:Just teach my kid the math by garmaine on Monday February 19, 2018 @07:27AM (#16412436)
Part of the problem though is that not everyone thinks about these things the same way. This is called Pedagogical Content Knowledge -- the meta-knowledge about teaching skills.

One of the reasons common core math is so controversial is because it's one of these "shared experience" topics for which everyone has personal experience and considers themselves an expert, yet most don't realize that their own experience is probably quite different from nearly everyone else's. And the reason theirs is different is in large part because their mind works differently and they naturally fell into using skills matched to their own strengths and weaknesses. Take 20 people and pair them off into 10 pairs, and have one person in each pair walk the other through how they calculate 876 - 381 in their head. You will 10 different results[1]. The problem with common core is that it teaches a handful of these approaches rather than letting the student develop their own customized approach.

[1] I have actually done this experiment. Of the 8 pairings, I think we had 7 different algorithms. Only two people did something close enough to be called the same thing.

Re:Just teach my kid the math by dahart on Monday February 19, 2018 @07:25PM (#16416919)
Common core has an explicit goal of trying to foster an appreciation for different approaches, in complete recognition of what you said - that different people prefer different approaches, and also in complete opposition to what you and I grew up with. Schools used to teach one and only one way. I'm super curious if you have a problem with Common Core as implemented, or if like so many other parents who are scared of it, you haven't fully investigated what Common Core actually is. I know I might accidentally sound insulting or condescending, I am totally not intending that! I myself was scared of Common Core at first, and I heard and read lots of bad things from other parents who were scared of it, but hadn't looked into it carefully. My wife and I spent some time investigating the curriculum and the reasons behind it, and I'm a total convert, I now think what they're trying to do with Common Core is a great idea, and probably better than what you and I were taught when we were kids.

The implementation and communication about what Common Core is doing needs a little work. The author mentioned this, and I think he's absolutely right. The fact that math-educated parents like you are reacting negatively to Common Core is a symptom of the plan not being very well explained to parents, even though once people see it clearly, they often agree that it looks like a superior way to teach math.

I guess I'll just add a side note that fostering this appreciation for different approaches might actually be getting more directly at the universality you mentioned above. There's a deeper truth behind the meaning of subtracting two numbers than any one algorithm holds, and perhaps the only way to see it is to be familiar with multiple algorithms.

Re:Just teach my kid the math by garmaine on Tuesday February 20, 2018 @03:05AM (#16418603)
Well it does come off as insulting and condescending and I don't really feel like pursuing this further.
Re:Just teach my kid the math by dahart on Tuesday February 20, 2018 @09:37AM (#16420567)
Super sorry I made you feel bad. My apologies. Sometimes I argue instead of empathize, and undermine my own comments when I get excited and irritate the person I'm talking to. I honestly thought I might be helping someone who's going through something I've been through myself. I wish you and your kids success with their education.