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Re:California-Grown Coffee Is Becoming the State's Next Gold... by almostApatriot1 on Saturday February 17, 2018 @02:09PM (#16402156)
>For some people drinking good coffee is exactly like experiencing a fine wine.

I would phrase it differently.

Americans have become conditioned to accept high prices for drinks. For lots of reasons, but mostly because they are real money makers in almost every place that sells any sort of drink.

I mean, it costs up to $6 for a bottle of kombucha, and I know people who go through a couple of those a day. The next logical step is a $20 coffee.

Meanwhile in Europe you can get a good espresso for a euro.

Re:California-Grown Coffee Is Becoming the State's Next Gold... by adventured on Saturday February 17, 2018 @02:42PM (#16402333)
That's obviously a false extrapolation on cultures.

In Paris you're not spending one euro on espresso typically. It's going to be closer to 2.50 to 3 euros. Adjust that to dollars, you get more like $3 to $3.70, adjust for income differences you get $5 to $6 (US incomes are far higher than French incomes, and especially if we're comparing eg NYC vs Paris).

https://francetravelplanner.com/go/paris/shop/costs.html

Americans have not been conditioned to accept high prices for drinks. When was the last time you wandered through Walmart's beverages section? Their grocery section has half an aisle for inexpensive coffee and tea products, and then another half aisle for inexpensive soda products. As another example, cases of water at Walmart go for $4 for a brand label pack of 24 to 32 500ml bottles, or $0.13 to $0.17 per unit. If anything, most Americans are conditioned to expect to pay very cheap prices for purchased beverages. That's why Starbucks is considered expensive to the average person.

A small group of high income Americans find it acceptable to spend what is a trivial sum for them, on such product experiences.

The notion that many Americans are spending $15-$20 on daily beverages, is laughable. The median income is $30,000. You want me to believe a lot of people are spending $7,000 annually on beverages? Yeah right.

It's equivalent to saying: in the US you can buy a vast array of great wines for $10 to $20, while in France people are paying $140 for wine.

Sure, some people in France are. It'd be false to pretend a large number of people in France are doing that regularly. Few Americans are actually spending outsized sums of money on beverages.

Re:California-Grown Coffee Is Becoming the State's Next Gold... by ardit33 on Saturday February 17, 2018 @03:09PM (#16402452)
In Rome, I bought 1.20 euro for a espresso, and 2.0 for a cappuccino, right smack in the middle of the city near the train station.

In Albania, it is the 0.80 for a medium-good espresso (Lavazza or Illy), and 1.20 to 1.50 for a cappuccino.

In Barcelona, a glass of wine varied between 2.5. and 3 euros. I never paid more than that. In the US? 12-15 (In NYC at least).

Also, in NYC, you can't buy a bottle of water for $1, in most places, while in supermarkets in Spain was about 0.50 or 0.60

So, yeah, Americans in general pay twice as much for beverages.

Re:California-Grown Coffee Is Becoming the State's Next Gold... by Kephael on Saturday February 17, 2018 @03:20PM (#16402503)
NYC unfairly keeps large grocers such as Walmart out of the city. You can order 40 water bottle packs from Costco using Instacart for 3.69 in NYC [1]. NYC Bodegas are not competitive, it is unfortunate the city allows the poor to be taken advantage of and forced to shop at such uncompetitively priced stores.

[1] https://www.instacart.com/store/items/item_128043194

Re:California-Grown Coffee Is Becoming the State's Next Gold... by Hydraulix989 on Saturday February 17, 2018 @09:39PM (#16404129)
How does it keep them out?
Re:California-Grown Coffee Is Becoming the State's Next Gold... by nitrogen on Saturday February 17, 2018 @11:36PM (#16404481)
I'm not familiar with NYC, but typical techniques involve refusing to issue business or construction permits, or imposing untenable restrictions.
Re:California-Grown Coffee Is Becoming the State's Next Gold... by nightski on Saturday February 17, 2018 @03:23PM (#16402513)
Lol in the Midwest a glass of wine will run you $4-6 and an espresso around $2-3. Of course you'd pick the highest cost region.
Re:California-Grown Coffee Is Becoming the State's Next Gold... by ardit33 on Saturday February 17, 2018 @04:08PM (#16402708)
I didn't pick the lowest cost regions in Italy or Spain either. I am comparing cities vs. cities and not cities vs. middle of nowhere. Both Rome and Barcelona are world class cities. (Barcelona the more modern one). The prices are similar in Berlin and many other cities in Europe expect in Scandinavian countries and London.

There are places where things are even cheaper (especially in Souther Italy), where 3 euros will get you a whole bottle of wine.

While NYC is expensive, is it not much more than either San Francisco or Boston. (maybe a 5% difference, but not 2x).

Just saying

Re:California-Grown Coffee Is Becoming the State's Next Gold... by nightski on Sunday February 18, 2018 @01:57PM (#16407522)
Minneapolis/St Paul metro isn't the middle of no where. It's almost 4 million people... We have over 80 breweries and a 1 billion dollar sports stadium where the super bowl was held this year. I could go on.
Re:California-Grown Coffee Is Becoming the State's Next Gold... by djrogers on Saturday February 17, 2018 @03:20PM (#16402504)
You can’t compare prices in NYC and extrapolate that to the rest of the country - it’s the most expensive place for pretty much everything.
Re:California-Grown Coffee Is Becoming the State's Next Gold... by ardit33 on Saturday February 17, 2018 @04:17PM (#16402747)
SF and Boston are close enough to NYC:

Consumer Prices in San Francisco, CA are 1.16% lower than in New York, Consumer Prices in Boston, MA are 12.87% lower than in New York, NY

Re:California-Grown Coffee Is Becoming the State's Next Gold... by moz23 on Sunday February 18, 2018 @02:04AM (#16404866)
"US incomes are far higher than French incomes, and especially if we're comparing eg NYC vs Paris"

A common assumption that americans get wrong: this isn't the case. (Taxes might affect things a bit, but that doesn't take into account the healthcare and retirement situation.)

Re:California-Grown Coffee Is Becoming the State's Next Gold... by yazr on Saturday February 17, 2018 @03:42PM (#16402580)
Ughh.

The mythical 1-euro coffee persists due to cultural reasons. But also due to very depressed purchasing power in places in Greece, Italy etc

Go to any capital or premium tourist location, and u too will discover the pleasures of 5euro coffee.

Re:California-Grown Coffee Is Becoming the State's Next Gold... by matwood on Saturday February 17, 2018 @04:40PM (#16402877)
> Meanwhile in Europe you can get a good espresso for a euro.

Even if this is still true, you're talking about different things than what most Americans purchase. Very few Americans purchase the single shot of espresso, but last I checked Starbucks has it for ~$1.50.

What many Americans consider coffee is really a milkshake flavored with a couple of shots of espresso. Then there is the size issue. If I walked into a cafe in Europe and wanted a grande sized latte it would end up being very similar in price to Starbucks (2 espresso shots and basically a glass of milk).

Re:California-Grown Coffee Is Becoming the State's Next Gold... by vinay427 on Saturday February 17, 2018 @07:12PM (#16403609)
I'm not sure where you've gotten a latte, but I haven't noticed a significant difference between a latte from a US coffeeshop (and I've been to various across several states and regions) and a latte in Spain, for instance.

I haven't been to Starbucks recently, so I can't comment on their products.

Re:California-Grown Coffee Is Becoming the State's Next Gold... by petecox on Saturday February 17, 2018 @08:07PM (#16403811)
The €1 coffee is possibly more prevalent across the border in Portugal.

They charge extra for milk, as black coffee is typically drunk as a side dish to iconic pasteis.

https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/08/da/d6/7b/...