U.S. Charges 13 Russians, 3 Companies for Interfering with Election

Re:U.S. Charges 13 Russians, 3 Companies for Interfering wit... by Tech-Noir on Friday February 16, 2018 @01:19PM (#16394451)

    Mueller Accuses Russians of Aiding Trump, Assailing Clinton

    U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller announced an
    indictment of 13 Russian nationals and three Russian 
    entities, accusing them of interfering in the 2016
    presidential election and operating fake social media
    accounts.

    They used false personas and social media while also 
    staging political rallies and communicating with
    “unwitting individuals” associated with the Trump 
    campaign, it said.

Which seems to be the entire story.

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Re:U.S. Charges 13 Russians, 3 Companies for Interfering wit... by uptown on Friday February 16, 2018 @01:24PM (#16394502)

"with a deliberately inflammatory and made up title."

The Bloomberg.com story title has changed at least three times since the story's initial publication. If you're going to accuse people of things, please make sure your facts are correct.

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Re:U.S. Charges 13 Russians, 3 Companies for Interfering wit... by Tech-Noir on Friday February 16, 2018 @01:26PM (#16394523)

How do I check Bloomberg's title change history? Are you saying within the 5 minutes you posted they changed it?

> please make sure your facts are correct.

Likewise.

Edit: removed the word "own" from "please make sure your own facts are correct."

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Re:U.S. Charges 13 Russians, 3 Companies for Interfering wit... by uptown on Friday February 16, 2018 @01:48PM (#16394749)

"> please make sure your own facts are correct"

You misquoted me.

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Re:U.S. Charges 13 Russians, 3 Companies for Interfering wit... by Tech-Noir on Friday February 16, 2018 @01:58PM (#16394848)

My mistake. The "quote" was originally a reponse from me, based on what you said. Corrected.

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Re:U.S. Charges 13 Russians, 3 Companies for Interfering wit... by nthompson on Friday February 16, 2018 @01:30PM (#16394564)

A-B testing of article titles should be regarded as a breach of journalist ethics.

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Re:U.S. Charges 13 Russians, 3 Companies for Interfering wit... by codezero on Friday February 16, 2018 @03:29PM (#16395816)

Why? I’m not an expert on ethical standards so I’m curious what a variable title would mean.

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Re:U.S. Charges 13 Russians, 3 Companies for Interfering wit... by mrkstu on Friday February 16, 2018 @01:25PM (#16394515)

I think the most interesting phrase is "unwitting individuals"- this implies that there was no conspiracy on the Trump side of the equation.

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Re:U.S. Charges 13 Russians, 3 Companies for Interfering wit... by 52-6F-62 on Friday February 16, 2018 @02:03PM (#16394907)

The indictment isn't the final wrapping of the investigation, just another stage.

The Deputy AG when questioned about the clause you're referring to would only state that this indictment makes no accusations of the sort and refused to answer questions outside of the scope of this particular indictment.

As you know, other indictments have preceded this one. Others may be to follow.

I wouldn't be quick to sum it all up based on two such words. Muller's previous work on large cases has gone on in stages, increasing in severity of charges and prominence of subject.

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Re:U.S. Charges 13 Russians, 3 Companies for Interfering wit... by cryptoz on Friday February 16, 2018 @02:11PM (#16394996)

> this implies that there was no conspiracy on the Trump side of the equation.

No it doesn't. Saying that on a certain day there weren't any clouds in the sky does not mean that for a whole month it didn't rain.

There is absolutely no implication or suggestion of any kind in that statement that indicates no conspiracy on the Trump side.

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Re:U.S. Charges 13 Russians, 3 Companies for Interfering wit... by mrkstu on Friday February 16, 2018 @04:03PM (#16396225)

By implication it is positive for the Trump campaign and means there was no conspiracy with these actors- if there was a broad conspiracy there would have been no need for these Russians to hide their identities from their Trump counterparts.

This means that any conspiracy must be limited in scope rather than broad (i.e. Mantifort)- it doesn't completely clear Trump (and proving a negative like that is of course impossible anyway) but it is unambiguously more positive for him.

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