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Re:FCC Inspector General to Investigate Ajit Pai Over Sincla... by minikites on Friday February 16, 2018 @10:21AM (#16392915)
You're probably going to get downvoted because "both sides are the same" but they really aren't. Only one party is doing this.
Re:FCC Inspector General to Investigate Ajit Pai Over Sincla... by boomboomsubban on Friday February 16, 2018 @10:53AM (#16393174)
When exactly have the Democrats worked to stop the ongoing media concentration?
Re:FCC Inspector General to Investigate Ajit Pai Over Sincla... by outsidetheparty on Friday February 16, 2018 @11:05AM (#16393271)
Yeah! Democrats! What have they ever done for us? Except for putting the internet common carrier regulations in place in the first place for Pai to tear down. Or making antitrust law reform a core plank in the party platform. Just for a couple of examples.

> Over the last thirty years, courts and permissive regulators have allowed large companies to get larger, resulting in higher prices and limited consumer choice in daily expenses such as travel, cable, and food and beverages. And because concentrated market power leads to concentrated political power, these companies deploy armies of lobbyists to increase their stranglehold on Washington.

https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2017/07/A-Bet...

Re:FCC Inspector General to Investigate Ajit Pai Over Sincla... by boomboomsubban on Friday February 16, 2018 @02:09PM (#16394972)
>Democrats! What have they ever done for us? Except for putting the internet common carrier regulations in place in the first place for Pai to tear down.

This is unrelated to the concentration of media. Plus, if they cared about that, they should have passed the law ensuring it when it hit the floor in 2009.

You realize that quote basically says "we've helped this happen for the past thirty years, but we've changed now!"

Re:FCC Inspector General to Investigate Ajit Pai Over Sincla... by outsidetheparty on Friday February 16, 2018 @03:43PM (#16395977)
You may well be right that it's too little too late. But the choice is between "we've changed", or "We've helped this happen for the past thirty years, and now we're gonna triple down, baby".
Re:FCC Inspector General to Investigate Ajit Pai Over Sincla... by boomboomsubban on Friday February 16, 2018 @05:31PM (#16397111)
They've already shown the change to be a lie by opposing candidates with new ideas in primaries.
Re:FCC Inspector General to Investigate Ajit Pai Over Sincla... by outsidetheparty on Friday February 16, 2018 @09:06PM (#16398443)
Can you expand on this? What candidates specifically, with what ideas?
Re:FCC Inspector General to Investigate Ajit Pai Over Sincla... by boomboomsubban on Saturday February 17, 2018 @12:06AM (#16399151)
There's a large number of candidates who lost in 2016 running again on the same platform with support from the party. Fundraising seems to be the main requirement for support, which is at odds with their "Better Deal." This touches some of the issues, https://theintercept.com/2018/01/23/dccc-democratic-primarie...
Re:FCC Inspector General to Investigate Ajit Pai Over Sincla... by outsidetheparty on Saturday February 17, 2018 @09:22AM (#16400773)
Ah. Yeah; the party does have an unfortunate habit of treating "fundraising ability" as a proxy for "electability". I don't love that strategy; it does tend to skew them away from more progressive candidates. It's very much arguable that it's the wrong tack to be taking in 2018 (and 2020), and I'd agree that it's a big part of what lost them the presidency in 2016.

But it's equally arguable that it's just facing up to electoral reality. Winning elections costs a lot of money, Citizens United is a thing that exists, the other side has a lot of billionaires willing to bankroll them, too many voters still choose based on whose face they've seen on TV the most, and if you can't afford enough ad buys you're probably going to lose.

(And some of what's being cited in that Intercept piece is just plain sour grapes. The quote from Zephyr Teachout leaped out at me in particular: the district she ran for is the next county over from me, and I've been volunteering with a group trying to get Faso out in 2018. It's a mix of long-time party members and volunteers, angry Berniecrats, DSA radicals, and newbies to politics who had their Oh Shit! I gotta do something! moment when Trump was elected. (I fall into the last group.) One of the not-very-many things that everyone in that room agrees on was thank gawd Teachout isn't making another run at it. She'd be a fine candidate for a solidly blue district, but the party was absolutely correct to work against her in NY19; she was 100% not going to win that district against anyone who knew the words "librul" and "carpetbagger".)

But I digress. Look, I agree with you: the Democratic Party is a deeply flawed institution with a talent for unforced errors and own goals; they've been parasitized by too many expensive "consultants"; there's a gazillion things I wish they'd do differently. But "they're not changing quickly enough" or "they're not selecting candidates in the way I personally would prefer" doesn't translate to "therefore the whole party platform is a lie."

For me the Trump year has been a (sobering and sometimes humiliating) exercise in working with the situation we have, rather than the situation we want to have. And the situation we have right now is, frankly, a choice between that flawed and often disappointing party on one side, or barely-figleafed kleptocracy on the other. There just aren't other viable options right now, much as we might wish there were.

Re:FCC Inspector General to Investigate Ajit Pai Over Sincla... by boomboomsubban on Saturday February 17, 2018 @04:20PM (#16402771)
>But "they're not changing quickly enough" or "they're not selecting candidates in the way I personally would prefer" doesn't translate to "therefore the whole party platform is a lie

They've given no reason to expect things have changed, and their method of selecting candidates runs counter to their platform. The candidate that can raise the most money in a Citizens United world can't work against those interests, unless they only target opposing monopolies. And that's a kleptocracy too.

If you wish there was another viable option, you have to stop supporting what you consider "the lesser of two evils." Opposing other options is one of the areas the parties show true unity.

I again recommend a piece from The Intercept as a reminder that these problems run far deeper than Trump. https://theintercept.com/2018/02/17/bonus-intercepted-podcas...

Re:FCC Inspector General to Investigate Ajit Pai Over Sincla... by outsidetheparty on Monday February 19, 2018 @07:12PM (#16416838)
And yet we do live in a Citizens United world. Candidates do need money to win.

I have my issues with the Democratic party but I don't take nearly as dim a view of them as you do. But even if I did, just opting out of the process as you suggest would just do even more to support the status quo.

Re:FCC Inspector General to Investigate Ajit Pai Over Sincla... by boomboomsubban on Tuesday February 20, 2018 @03:47AM (#16418788)
>And yet we do live in a Citizens United world. Candidates do need money to win

Many of these candidates already proved that money didn't end in a win. And what does their winning matter if they can't represent your interests?

>I have my issues with the Democratic party but I don't take nearly as dim a view of them as you do. But even if I did, just opting out of the process as you suggest would just do even more to support the status quo.

War is a primary issue for me, and the status quo is basically the same voting R or D there. I'm not opting out, I'm refusing to support the current situation.

Re:FCC Inspector General to Investigate Ajit Pai Over Sincla... by microcolonel on Friday February 16, 2018 @10:25AM (#16392942)
> You're probably going to get downvoted because "both sides are the same" but they really aren't. Only one party is doing this.

This is the height of arrogance.

Either major party can be characterized as the reigning party of broken promises and slime. Both of them will represent their own policies as of six years prior as reprehensible when the opposing party runs on those same policies; and both will use whatever power the electorate gives them to enrich themselves (or at least their own cause), if that is an option.

Re:FCC Inspector General to Investigate Ajit Pai Over Sincla... by criley2 on Friday February 16, 2018 @10:54AM (#16393179)
False equivalence is a powerful form of propaganda in heavy use today.

It is our duty to be objective and rational, and that requires us to challenge and reject "false equivalence" arguments whether it's Putin, or Assad, or Duerte, or Erdogan rationalizing their despotic government or US Republicans rationalizing their unprecedented and unequal malpractice in American government.

I feel that anyone who dares suggest that "both parties are the same" is so fundamentally ignorant that they're suffering from Dunning Kruger / illusory knowledge.

One only needs to read about "starving the beast" (a nefarious legislative plan of cutting taxes and not spending, to intentionally manufacture budget crises surrounding debt, to cut social welfare programs) or the Project for a New American Century (Republican PAC in 1999 which planned the invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Iran and Syria in the early 90's before GWB re-invaded the middle east -- that list sound familiar?) to understand how the modern assault on Liberal Democratic order in the West was planned and executed.

I'm just so tired of false equivalence.

Re:FCC Inspector General to Investigate Ajit Pai Over Sincla... by SmirkingRevenge on Sunday February 25, 2018 @06:45PM (#16461928)
> "a nefarious legislative plan of cutting taxes and not spending, to intentionally manufacture budget crises surrounding debt, to cut social welfare programs"

That's an odd thing to cite as it really isn't a form of corruption.

A limited federal government is a core pillar of conservatism and the republican party. That "nefarious" plan is the what they (and many right-voters) consider the most viable strategy for reducing the size and scope of the federal government. I think you'll find more instances of corruption/pandering/populism on the right, in the places where they are expanding the federal government.

Its a bit like calling democrats corrupt because they have a "nefarious" plans to confiscate more of your money (in the form of taxes) to pay for federal programs.

I find this is the way many of the back-n-forths go in the "party x is more corrupt" game. <insert party here> is so demonized in the minds of their opponents, literally acting in accordance with their political philosophy appears like a form of corruption.

I guess the "they want to kill your babies!" style rhetoric actually works.

Re:FCC Inspector General to Investigate Ajit Pai Over Sincla... by VVyattPrentice on Friday February 16, 2018 @10:56AM (#16393199)
The fallacy you are absokutely running with here is "false equivalence." Yes the Democrat party is slimy self-serving punters. But they're not nearly as good at it as the R's. Even acceptingthere isn't a difference in kind (I happen to think there is) but surely you would admit there is a difference in degree.