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Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by emodendroket on Thursday February 15, 2018 @10:53PM (#16389722)
I don't feel that you've really engaged the arguments of the post, particularly the failure to hire any seasonal employees for the holiday season and the "ship from store" change.
Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by ams6110 on Thursday February 15, 2018 @11:01PM (#16389757)
He's saying the arguments of the post are irrelevant. Sure they could have hired seasonal workers for the holidays, and maybe had better results, but either way they are doomed.

I haven't bought a book at a retail outlet in probably 10 years. There's just nothing about the retail experience at B&N that's even worth the effort to drive there and park. It's not salvageable.

Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by emodendroket on Thursday February 15, 2018 @11:08PM (#16389784)
You don't think there is space in the United States' market for even a single major brick-and-mortar retailer of books? I find that pretty hard to believe.
Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by sanderjd on Thursday February 15, 2018 @11:20PM (#16389834)
I love wandering around in my local B&N and in my local independent bookstore, but I don't find it at all hard to believe that this sort of thing is a small niche that is not sustainable in the long run. I find it harder to believe that you find this hard to believe.
Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by Digory on Thursday February 15, 2018 @11:30PM (#16389876)
If there is such space, it will have to be run by kiosk and a few minimum wage employees.

B&N's 'competitive advantage' today is not experienced staff. I can't ever recall an employee up-selling significant amounts of merchandise, or having a customer relationship that might move a needle.

Like Sears, it has real estate and a terrible retail position. If you treat the stores like mini-warehouses, with Amazon-warehouse-worker-hours, it might work. My guess is that failing to staff-up for the holidays was, seen charitably, a way to get the full-timers through the holidays.

Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by emodendroket on Thursday February 15, 2018 @11:33PM (#16389884)
> If there is such space, it will have to be run by kiosk and a few minimum wage employees.

I don't think so. Outside of the airport that's not useful to anyone. At that rate you can just go to the section where they have bestsellers at Costco or Walmart. A bookstore with no selection is practically pointless.

Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by Digory on Thursday February 15, 2018 @11:54PM (#16389968)
No, kiosk-based service, not kiosk-sized stores. You want a big selection, but software or other merchandising helping customers locate things and up-sell.

Target has more merchandise than B&N, but there's no career employee on the floor to suggest that you might like Mossimo if you bought Merona.

Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by ams6110 on Thursday February 15, 2018 @11:18PM (#16389825)
Not really. Not for the long term. Certain independents and specialty shops -- sure. We still have record stores here and there, but the big chains are all gone.
Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by emodendroket on Thursday February 15, 2018 @11:21PM (#16389837)
Fye is still around.
Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by ams6110 on Thursday February 15, 2018 @11:32PM (#16389882)
Never heard of 'em. Where I live, we used to have Musicland - gone. Sam Goody - Gone. Tower - Gone. Several other smaller shops -- all closed years ago. There's only one record store here, an independent dealing mostly in new and used vinyl.
Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by emodendroket on Thursday February 15, 2018 @11:37PM (#16389902)
https://stores.fye.com/index.html

There are also various regional retailers.

Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by caymanjim on Thursday February 15, 2018 @11:26PM (#16389859)
Sure, there's room. Amazon just opened a giant store right here in Manhattan. You can even ship your Amazon packages there, or pay for books online and pick them up on your way home from work. Plan on seeing more Amazon stores. They'll probably buy up a few B&N spaces.
Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by seanmcdirmid on Thursday February 15, 2018 @11:41PM (#16389917)
Many amazon stores are B. Dalton mall store sized, not B&N super store sized. It’s weird, because we are basically back to where we were before the super book stores.
Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by tcj_phx on Thursday February 15, 2018 @11:27PM (#16389864)
> There's just nothing about the retail experience at B&N that's even worth the effort to drive there and park.

The last book I bought at B&N wasn't so long ago. They pulled it off the shelf and had it waiting for me when I arrived. I appreciated being able to preview it to decide it was worth buying.

I don't have a local B&N anymore, but a local independent book shop is pretty good. They've ordered new books for me to preview too.

Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by ryanwaggoner on Thursday February 15, 2018 @10:59PM (#16389749)
I skipped over those because I think they're totally irrelevant. See the "rearranging deck chairs on Titanic" part of my comment.

Yeah, they could have managed the holiday season better. They could have a better strategy for ecommerce. So what? It doesn't fundamentally change anything. It maybe delays the inevitable for a year or two? But in the end, B&N is almost certainly going out of business.

EDIT: I guess there are two other possibilities:

1. B&N finds another B&M strategy that works beyond just selling books. But it's not clear what, given their financial situation, existing stores, employee base, etc. Either way, lots of layoffs between here and there.

2. They pivot to selling books online solely. This actually seems likely, at least for awhile, because it's a decent brand, and they're already doing this, so this would just mean shutting down all their stores. But all these employees are still losing their jobs in that scenario.

Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by b1daly on Friday February 16, 2018 @05:52AM (#16391469)
Your contention implies that there are no differences of import to how a company is managed, if business failure is inevitable. Sadly, I think this is not that rare of an opinion amongst a certain class of managers who disproportionately consider their own welfare, above all.

You don’t have to think that hard to realize the callous absurdity of this viewpoint.

Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by goofingaround on Friday February 16, 2018 @12:19AM (#16390057)
The "ship from store" argument does not make sense.

Many healthy retailers use omnichannel, ship-from-store, buy-online-fulfill-in-store, etc. These methods can improve fulfillment, increase inventory utilization, and reduce stale inventory.

If a retailer wants to draw down inventory, then just cut replenishment. I believe Target Canada was accused of doing so. Implementing "faux omnichannel" and the associated IT, store processes, etc. would be much harder.

Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by CodeWriter23 on Friday February 16, 2018 @12:28AM (#16390096)
What the author is saying is they used the “closer to customer” argument as a smoke screen to cover the fact that they performed a logisticextomy last year.

The fact of the matter is logistic operations in the Midwest are favorable for the medium range retailer. In the post-warehouse age, when the book your NYC customer wants is in Seattle, you’re paying Zone 8 rates to USPS instead of Zone 3 from Indiana to NYC (or Seattle).

Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by goofingaround on Friday February 16, 2018 @03:36AM (#16390824)
I don't see the logistics argument in the article.

The article states i) distraction from in-store sales for employees, ii) removing inventory from store shelves, and iii) no credit for stores.

The "stores don't get credit" argument is weak. The article implies that corporate is siphoning credit from stores to online. Sales are down 6% across the board. Samestore sales down 6.5%, online sales down 4.5%. Omnichannel does not create those numbers.

Anyway, the logistics argument depends on more than rates. Fulfilling from a midwest warehouse can be cheap; a warehouse full of product sliding down a markdown curve can be expensive.

I've been surprised by the merchant pushback to omnichannel. I've been hearing "there are no cash registers in the warehouse", etc. for years. Now we expose more inventory to customers and stores complain about selling to the wrong (usually ecommerce) customer.

Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by CodeWriter23 on Friday February 16, 2018 @12:15PM (#16393850)
It’s an illustration, not an argument. The prior deletion of the logistics operation illustrates the company has been on the chopping block / raider mode for some time.
Re:The unnecessary demise of Barnes and Noble by emodendroket on Friday February 16, 2018 @09:53AM (#16392692)
My understanding of the article was that they were poorly managing the inventory and therefore unnecessarily cannibalizing their own sales.