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Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by tartuffe78 on Thursday February 15, 2018 @01:09PM (#16386150)
4. Digital copies are often available online for free.
Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by zanny on Thursday February 15, 2018 @01:34PM (#16386349)
Students should feel absolutely no guilt in pirating textbooks. The whole industry is a racket, designed to exploit kids in a situtation where they have no choice. I did things the "normal" way my first year of college back in the day and realized how stupid paying $400 a semester in books was before I just nabbed pdfs (and finding them was a challenge in the days before The Book Bay was a thing).
Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by rfrey on Thursday February 15, 2018 @08:44PM (#16389297)
Old guy question: what is the book bay? None of the search engines helped me, and I don't know anybody under 72 years old that I can ask.
Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by castle-bravo on Thursday February 15, 2018 @11:08PM (#16389779)
Parent post may be referring to the infamous Pirate Bay, from which you can obtain links to torrents of textbooks. Another source is Library Genesis, which is a russion site hosting many technical books - the URL changes sometimes, but a quick search should help you find it. For journal articles, check Sci-Hub. Happy reading!
Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by AnimalMuppet on Thursday February 15, 2018 @02:00PM (#16386540)
> Students should feel absolutely no guilt in pirating textbooks.

False.

> The whole industry is a racket, designed to exploit kids in a situtation where they have no choice.

True. But your previous sentence does not follow from this. The bad actions of others do not justify your own bad actions, no matter how tempting it becomes to think otherwise.

Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by HarryHirsch on Thursday February 15, 2018 @05:02PM (#16388149)
The bad actions of others do not justify your own bad actions, no matter how tempting it becomes to think otherwise.

Dunno. 15 years ago all the Ivy League libraries campaigned against Elsevier's pricing and achieved precisely nothing. We had to wait for Scihub.

Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by CaptSpify on Thursday February 15, 2018 @07:55PM (#16389129)
I have yet to hear a valid argument why pirating educational matetials is a "bad action" in the first place
Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by Can_Not on Monday February 19, 2018 @06:10PM (#16416503)
If you think the right to education trumps the right to property, then you've done nothing wrong.
Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by thephyber on Thursday February 15, 2018 @02:55PM (#16387004)
> Students should feel absolutely no guilt in pirating textbooks.

Textbook publishers aren't really hurt by this as much as the legitimate textbook purchasers (your fellow students).

The solution isn't to pirate/steal the content. It's to vote with your feet before you go to a post-secondary that chooses expensive copyrighted books when there are free or very affordable alternatives.

Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by Larrikin on Thursday February 15, 2018 @04:23PM (#16387753)
Are you really advocating that children should turn down attending to the best university they can get in to over the choice of textbooks in classes they haven't chosen that are taught by different professors on a rotating schedule? Do you really think that is reasonable or even feasible?
Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by darpa_escapee on Thursday February 15, 2018 @03:22PM (#16387258)
The thing about children is that they generally don't have the experience or knowledge to make decisions like this.

Besides, voting with your dollars is a fallacy.

Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by tensor_rank_0 on Thursday February 15, 2018 @06:33PM (#16388730)
> The thing about children is that they generally don't have the experience or knowledge to make decisions like this.

very true.

>Besides, voting with your dollars is a fallacy.

in an oligopoly such as education where the purchase and sale of goods/services is subsidized then the power of voting with your dollars is diminished. the core concept is not a fallacy, and is actually a good metaphor for market action.

the problem is that 18 y/o young adults are able to borrow far more money than they ought to be able to, creating a market of naive buyers with extraordinary buying power. its no surprise that some of them buy things like comparative literature or gender studies degrees.

Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by colemannugent on Thursday February 15, 2018 @06:07PM (#16388579)
We're not talking about children, these are college students. They can weigh the risks/benefits of piracy.

>voting with your dollars is a fallacy What do you mean by that? Are you suggesting that companies will survive without any customers buying their product?

The only situation in which voting with your wallet doesn't work is when you have no choice. In this situation, the students do have the choice to pirate the books, buy used books, or bite the bullet and buy the book.

Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by CaptSpify on Thursday February 15, 2018 @09:47PM (#16389503)
> In this situation, the students do have the choice to pirate the books, buy used books, or bite the bullet and buy the book.

Definitly not true. Many classes require entering a code just to submit homework

Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by dredmorbius on Thursday February 15, 2018 @03:52PM (#16387525)
voting with your dollars is a fallacy.

Howso?

Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by petermcneeley on Thursday February 15, 2018 @06:33PM (#16388732)
Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by dredmorbius on Friday February 16, 2018 @02:00AM (#16390472)
Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by munk-a on Thursday February 15, 2018 @01:37PM (#16386372)
5. Buy the east asian english edition of the textbook.

This was all the rage when I was in school, especially since our bookstore sold at retail price (or about 80% for a used copy) and _generously offered_ to buy the books back at the end of the semester for 3-10% of list price. College bookstores are a racket.

Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by thephyber on Thursday February 15, 2018 @02:59PM (#16387041)
> since our bookstore sold at retail price (or about 80% for a used copy) and _generously offered_ to buy the books back at the end of the semester for 3-10% of list price. College bookstores are a racket

There are already business models that have started to chip away at this type of racket. Chegg and Amazon rentals are decent examples.

Sadly I'm unimpressed with the progress it has made. I'm convinced replacing expensive formally published textbooks with cheaper or freeware digital books is superior. The problem is with department deans and professors that hawk their own books in their courses.

Re:How California campuses are fixing the problem of pricey ... by HedgeSparrow on Thursday February 15, 2018 @06:25PM (#16388678)
Yeah, absolutely don't buy from your college bookstore. Hell, just purchasing the book from Amazon cut the cost by at least a third for just about every item.