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Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ... by mc32 on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @06:24PM (#16380531)
Well that would explain why they were so effective in the Ukaine campaign, right?

Or you're saying Americans are so much more deceived and gullible?

The Kochs and the Soroses pump so much more money into manipulating elections what the Russians did was peanuts. People would hardly be complaining if they had instead been on Team Bernie. But since the candidate who could not possibly lose lost a Sure shot, people want and need a ready made answer, enter twitterbots and FB ads.

Anyway, the agreeing narrative phenomenon is most clearly evident in the Assange issue. When he was exposing America's behavior in Europe and the middle east and it also aligned with left ideology, he was a hero, Swedish accusations be damned. Now that his leaks hurt the left, he's a tool of the Russians, of course.

Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ... by alsetmusic on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @07:05PM (#16380806)
> The Kochs and the Soroses pump so much more money into manipulating elections what the Russians did was peanuts. People would hardly be complaining if they had instead been on Team Bernie. But since the candidate who could not possibly lose lost a Sure shot, people want and need a ready made answer, enter twitterbots and FB ads.

The Kochs (etc) are Americans manipulating the system with their wealth and probably within the law. I resent them for it, but that’s very different from a foreign government attempting to influence the results of a US election. I don’t pretend to know the actual pervasiveness of Russian influence; I’m only saying that your comparison falls flat.

I have to wonder if you might realize this yourself, but choose to ignore it in order to justify your own agenda.

Also, I would be angry with any outcome that was shown to be the result of election tampering. That goes for any candidate, even if I voted for them myself.

Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ... by emodendroket on Thursday February 15, 2018 @07:05AM (#16383379)
Would anyone even care about the Facebook ad spend and meetings with campaign officials if it were Israelis or Saudis instead of Russians? I think if you do this mental exercise a lot of the "Russiagate" stories start to look weird.
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ... by mc32 on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @07:10PM (#16380837)
This gets tricky. So does that mean suddenly it's meddling when Saudi Arabia makes political FB ad buys, or Egypt, or Japan, or whomever wants favor from Americans?
Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ... by arkades on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @08:06PM (#16381113)
Not the OP, but:

Yes. What’s so tricky about that?

Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ... by mc32 on Thursday February 15, 2018 @12:15AM (#16382079)
Ok, where is the line drawn?

Can a Russian, Israeli or Saudi or Mexican citizen in their respective country buy political ads targeting Americans and favoring or disfavoring a particular American candidate for office?

What if they are on vacation in the US?

What if they have jobs in the US, are not citizens, but live here and have an interest in politics?

What if they are here illegally and buy ads favoring or disfavoring a candidate for office?

What if in some cases it was their own money, what if in other cases they were hired by people in their home countries to buy ads?

What if they work in DC and act as foreign agents and pay for lobbying?

Does FB, Tw, etc. track all that?

Re:The FBI, CIA and NSA say American citizens shouldn't use ... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday February 15, 2018 @12:39AM (#16382171)
> Can a Russian, Israeli or Saudi or Mexican citizen in their respective country buy political ads targeting American and favoring or disfavoring a particular American candidate for office?

Yes, lawfully [1]. This is a complicated area of law, which is why foreigners and foreign governments seeking to properly lobby in America hire proper counsel.

[1] https://www.fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/