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Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by virgilp on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @09:11AM (#16375777)
Well, I am someone with 25 years of experience, does that count as "worked closely with"?

Good junior devs are... well, by definition, good. They're just younger, and less experienced - but every bit as smart as you are, and pretty skilled in the art of coding. If anything, they have more time than I do and are a lot more eager to "prove themselves".

I don't view the value I add as "can code features faster"...

Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by Retric on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @10:15AM (#16376294)
Good junior devs can also have 15+ years of non professional experience from starting as a kid. It's a wide enough bucket that talking about just the top end is very misleading, however the median jr dev is relatively slow and bug prone.
Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by walshemj on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @01:31PM (#16378033)
If they have not done any real coding before going to uni I could understand - this BTW is what the raspberry pi was originally created for.
Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by g051051 on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @09:28AM (#16375908)
> I don't view the value I add as "can code features faster"

I do, at least partly. I can code so much faster that my cost per feature is lower than a junior dev.

Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by ranci on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @05:51PM (#16380277)
Your cost is less by being paid more? Seems legit
Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by bmurphy1976 on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @11:23PM (#16381883)
His projects are most likely successful and profitable. The junior devs is probably a comparative catastrophe. I honestly don't get where this junior devs are faster meme is coming from, it sure doesn't represent my experience.
Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by g051051 on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @07:39PM (#16380971)
My cost is less by doing more in the same amount of time.
Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by ranci on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @11:05PM (#16381826)
Which is offset by the fact that you're paid significantly more
Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by g051051 on Thursday February 15, 2018 @01:26PM (#16386294)
The point you keep missing is that the amount I'm paid more isn't equivalent to the amount more I can do than a junior dev. I perform at some X more than the junior dev, but I'm not paid X more.
Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by ranci on Sunday February 18, 2018 @11:01PM (#16410671)
It's good to know you have such a high view of yourself in comparison to others
Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by g051051 on Thursday February 22, 2018 @02:49PM (#16440786)
It's not my view, it's my manager's view, as well as simple math.