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Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by Retric on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @08:18AM (#16375496)
People get better with practice. So, yes senior developers tend to be significantly faster coders. It's not that they do everything faster, but by getting better at the hard parts they finish complex tasks vastly more quickly.

PS: Most people have never worked closely with someone with 25+ years of experience, but the difference is staggering.

Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by virgilp on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @09:11AM (#16375777)
Well, I am someone with 25 years of experience, does that count as "worked closely with"?

Good junior devs are... well, by definition, good. They're just younger, and less experienced - but every bit as smart as you are, and pretty skilled in the art of coding. If anything, they have more time than I do and are a lot more eager to "prove themselves".

I don't view the value I add as "can code features faster"...

Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by Retric on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @10:15AM (#16376294)
Good junior devs can also have 15+ years of non professional experience from starting as a kid. It's a wide enough bucket that talking about just the top end is very misleading, however the median jr dev is relatively slow and bug prone.
Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by walshemj on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @01:31PM (#16378033)
If they have not done any real coding before going to uni I could understand - this BTW is what the raspberry pi was originally created for.
Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by g051051 on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @09:28AM (#16375908)
> I don't view the value I add as "can code features faster"

I do, at least partly. I can code so much faster that my cost per feature is lower than a junior dev.

Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by ranci on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @05:51PM (#16380277)
Your cost is less by being paid more? Seems legit
Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by bmurphy1976 on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @11:23PM (#16381883)
His projects are most likely successful and profitable. The junior devs is probably a comparative catastrophe. I honestly don't get where this junior devs are faster meme is coming from, it sure doesn't represent my experience.
Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by g051051 on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @07:39PM (#16380971)
My cost is less by doing more in the same amount of time.
Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by ranci on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @11:05PM (#16381826)
Which is offset by the fact that you're paid significantly more
Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by g051051 on Thursday February 15, 2018 @01:26PM (#16386294)
The point you keep missing is that the amount I'm paid more isn't equivalent to the amount more I can do than a junior dev. I perform at some X more than the junior dev, but I'm not paid X more.
Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by ranci on Sunday February 18, 2018 @11:01PM (#16410671)
It's good to know you have such a high view of yourself in comparison to others
Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by g051051 on Thursday February 22, 2018 @02:49PM (#16440786)
It's not my view, it's my manager's view, as well as simple math.
Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by WalterSear on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @11:18AM (#16376887)
I have.

It was staggering how they had managed to survive for 25+ years. Every person is different.

Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by Retric on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @02:34PM (#16378618)
He may have been far worse 25 years ago. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Having not worked with the same person for 25 years I can only speak of the average case.