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Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @09:01AM (#16375714)
Don't see anything said that's incompatible with the 'Den mother' stigma. If its about pay and promotion, not about being friendly with Engineers, then you want to avoid the role that won't be respected.

You can't imagine all the ways management can dismiss women's actions - "she's a great connector in that department. Let's leave her there, that's working great." or "sure she's got all the guys eating out of her hand. But lets talk leadership - Bob has got everybody afraid of him! Lets promote Bob"

Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by padobson on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @09:44AM (#16376019)
If its about pay and promotion

Pay and promotion is about making yourself valuable. If you mentor engineers and gain a reputation for doing so, you're effectively shaping the culture of the organization, not to mention gives you a ton of leverage with the productive employees you taught to be productive.

It makes you far less disposable. When mixed with even amateur negotiating skills, that leads to promotion and better pay.

Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @09:50AM (#16376071)
If you ignore the part about stigmatizing, which happens to women by default, then sure. An objective management team would act as described.

But the 'den mother' comment comes out of a real issue, of womens roles being sidelined. One pragmatic response is to avoid roles that feed into the stereotype.

In a better world, this would not be a thing. But here we are.

Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by padobson on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @10:20AM (#16376345)
One pragmatic response is to avoid roles that feed into the stereotype.

You make a good point, and I agree with the pragmatism of the choice, but I also believe mentorship can be a means of advancement.

The point of my original comment was to advocate for another choice - one that will both advance the mentor and their proteges. Hopefully, this will give us that better world we're looking for.

Re:Who Killed the Junior Developer? by Marazan on Wednesday February 14, 2018 @11:13AM (#16376847)
If you're mentoring jr devs ten it's going to be years before they rise up high enough to have any influence on you getting promotion.