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Re:Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform by threeseed on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @03:09AM (#16365519)
Probably collectively.

And has someone who has worked for Australian banks it is probably on the cheap side.

Many of the core systems that needed upgrading are old and there isn't necessarily the people around who worked on them. And so there are a lot of costs that go into upgrading.

Re:Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform by codebolt on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @03:32AM (#16365608)
It just seems absurd that it should be so complicated and expensive to build a system which on a basic level is just about maintaining a large table of numbers (the ledger of bank account balances) and doing simple arithmetic on it. And I say this as someone who develops banking systems for a living.

I think/hope the banking and financial sector in the future will be much more lean and optimized, both in terms of systems and management.

Re:Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform by Intermernet on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @07:14AM (#16366523)
Apparently a lot of the cost and delay was making sure that the regulatory requirements for bank transfers were met. These are handled by APCA (Australian Payments Clearing Association), which is now Australian Payments Network Limited (AusPayNet)[0]. These transfers have traditionally been done over the Bulk Electronic Clearing System (BECS). BECS is a dinosaur and I have a feeling that once you achieved agreement between the members of AusPayNet (about 120 members), met all regulations, tested the new system for reliability, performance and conformance, tested the new system for interoperability with BECS, made sure it didn't have any gaping holes that allowed fraud to take place and, finally, paid some serious money to all of the consultants and 3rd parties involved in the rollout, you'd easily approach the billion dollar mark.

This project has been underway for about 6 years now. Think of it as ~$166MM per year for the rollout. I agree that it would be nice if the Australian financial sector were lean and optimized in the future, but I don't hold out that much hope to be honest, despite other countries managing to achieve this.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Payments_Network

Re:Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform by chii on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @05:19AM (#16366070)
> on a basic level is just about maintaining a large table

The most dangerous word in software development.

Re:Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform by chris_wot on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @05:45AM (#16366159)
Wow, that’s incredibly simplified. They have to have incredible uptime guarantees, transfer money from different banking systems, and ensure that amounts are never wrong. And we are talking millions of transactions a second here. And it has to be fully working and never make a mistake.

Not easy at all.

Re:Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform by aianus on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @08:09AM (#16366819)
Australia doesn't do millions of transactions per second, that's absurd. Millions per day at most.
Re:Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform by ungamed on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @08:35AM (#16366975)
Millions per day is -definitely- incorrect.
Re:Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform by deecewan on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @11:02AM (#16368123)
> Millions per day is -definitely- incorrect.

Too many or too few?

Re:Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform by origami777 on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @03:59AM (#16365714)
It would be interesting to see a line item breakdown of that bill. I'd wager Oracle got a good $50 mill out of it (multi year).
Re:Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform by nickonline on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @06:58AM (#16366452)
It's SWIFT based.
Re:Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform by XorNot on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @07:34AM (#16366631)
Don't worry someone is still paying Oracle money.
Re:Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform by jpalomaki on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @12:51PM (#16369114)
Actually the SWIFT mostly runs on Oracle Tuxedo. Not sure if this is the case with the instant transfer.
Re:Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform by zaphirplane on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @04:31AM (#16365862)
Google what is bpay ;)