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Re:German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal by AndrewKemendo on Monday February 12, 2018 @03:54PM (#16362025)
Addressing your point #1, the EU has no enforcement mechanism for fines or otherwise unless you have physical presence (servers, offices etc...) in an EU member nation or are processing money on EU run systems.

So if a social media platform strictly based outside of the EU "exports PII" from an EU resident there isn't anything the EU can do about it, other than asking google or apple to take their app off the app store or somehow blocking the domain across the EU.

Re:German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal by yxhuvud on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:07PM (#16362169)
You do realize the EU can stop or confiscate the money that is transferred to you from European customers? Noneuropean companies already have to pay VAT on stuff they export to EU, so it is not as if there is no big collection already going on.
Re:German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal by tzs on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:49PM (#16362613)
Suppose I put up a website hosted on a server I own in a non-EU country. A person from the EU visits the site, I gather their personal information, and I sell that information to a non-EU buyer blatantly in violation of EU privacy law. I have no offices, bank accounts, property, service providers, subsidiaries, suppliers, customers, etc., in the EU.

> You do realize the EU can stop or confiscate the money that is transferred to you from European customers?

I don't have any money being transferred to me from European customers.

Unless the EU has a treaty with the non-EU country me and my site are in that provides for the enforcement of EU fines in this area in me or my buyer's country, how are they going to actually enforce a fine against me?

Re:German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal by kaybe on Monday February 12, 2018 @06:37PM (#16363416)
You can probably get a lot less if you try to sell the data to non-EU entities compared to local ones though. Same for advertisement prices.
Re:German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal by tzs on Monday February 12, 2018 @07:05PM (#16363594)
That raises some interesting questions. Let's say:

• I run website W. W does not obey EU privacy and data rules, but I, my company, my server, etc., are all outside the EU in places without treaties that would allow enforcement of EU rules against me.

• I sell data from EU citizens who visit W. I sell this data to ad network N that is also outside the EU. (I'm selling N all my visitor data, not just data from EU visitors).

• Company C that is in the EU or sells products in the EU or has a presence in the EU buys ads through N. N uses the data they bought from me to show C's ads to visitors from the EU who visit websites using N's ad network.

Questions:

1. Which of the various entities in this (me, N, C) are violating EU data and privacy laws, according to the EU?

2. Which of those entities could the EU actually enforce a fine against?

3. For those entities that are violating EU laws (according to the EU) but are out of the reach of EU fines, can the EU take alternate action such as ordering EU ISPs to block access to their websites?

Re:German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal by chopin on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @03:30AM (#16365599)
N is definitely violating EU laws. It handles data of EU citizens without their consent. The EU could stop the cash flow from C to N. It's rather simple: You can't purchase products which are made illegally. As much as I can't legally buy DDOS services, even if the provider is outside my jurisdiction.

I think that's the gist of the GDPR. Make personal data toxic.

Re:German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal by AndrewKemendo on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:31PM (#16362433)
Yes exactly, if you don't have EU customers then again there is no risk.