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Re:The bizarre world of indie wrestling by drumhead on Monday February 12, 2018 @03:13PM (#16361625)
Why is it bizarre, its passionate, its enthusiastic, its physiscal, its brutal. A violent ballet with operatic storyline. Bizarre? No.
Re:The bizarre world of indie wrestling by HumanDrivenDev on Monday February 12, 2018 @03:41PM (#16361897)
As an on-again off-again pro-wrestling fan, I find indie wrestling very bizzare.

I really dislike when the performers itself treat it like a joke or don't take it seriously. We all know it's a story and not a real athletic competition, but watching all the fourth-wall breaking, winking, nudging and general silliness that goes on with a lot of indie stuff truly leaves me be-wildered. Even if the performers treat it as a joke, it's still incredibly dangerous and taxing on the body. So you have performers making no effort to suspend our disbelief while in reality they're injuring themselves just the same.

Re:The bizarre world of indie wrestling by ZeroGravitas on Monday February 12, 2018 @05:14PM (#16362827)
I'm not a fan of any kind of wrestling, but I do love fourth-wall breaking stuff in many mediums. Comedians talking about their jokes not landing, author's making up books-within-books, films that play with conventions and cliches.

I'm generally impressed with how, if done correctly, you can maintain the emotional connection that is often referred to as "suspension of disbelief" while making the unreality explicit.

Re:The bizarre world of indie wrestling by HumanDrivenDev on Monday February 12, 2018 @05:48PM (#16363105)
I suppose I can enjoy it in much the same way I can get invested in an episode of say, the original star trek from the 1960s. I mean sure, I could sit there and point out how the computers are silly, the physics are un-realisitic, the special effects suck and the alien planets are clearly earth with props. Or even classical theatre. I mean theatre is objectively far more flake or unrealistic than anything pro-wrestling does (wait a minute, they're not in a castle!) But if a story - in any medium - engages me enough I'm willing to look over a lot.

Wrestling has its own set of "in-universe" realities that we the audience are conditioned too. If they're adhered too, and everything makes sense in the logic of that framework, I find it easy to suspend disbelief... provided of course I care about the conflict.

Re:The bizarre world of indie wrestling by deadmetheny on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:01PM (#16362100)
I dunno, I find some of the less-serious indies to be the most entertaining. Example, in Chikara, Eddie Kingston had a move called Backfist to the Future that he used on Archibald Peck that, in-story, sent him back in time to return later with a new gimmick. That sort of silliness would never fly in the more 'serious' promotions, but it was funny as hell and really differentiates them from the indies like Ring of Honor that focus more on technical wrestling.
Re:The bizarre world of indie wrestling by dsnuh on Monday February 12, 2018 @05:22PM (#16362903)
Somehow I ran across a wrestling team called "The Osirian Portal" searching for something totally unrelated. I'm not a wrestling fan, but that shit is hilarious. I think wrestling is way funnier when it isn't trying to be serious.
Re:The bizarre world of indie wrestling by msla on Monday February 12, 2018 @03:30PM (#16361778)
It's bizarre because it's the only form of fiction where some people are convinced the fans don't know it's fiction.

Equivalently, it's the only form of fiction which some people think isn't "real". Try this on for size: "You know movies aren't real, right?" Can you seriously imagine anyone saying that? It would be utterly absurd. Yet in discussions of wrestling, it's par for the course.

Re:The bizarre world of indie wrestling by HumanDrivenDev on Monday February 12, 2018 @03:43PM (#16361919)
> It's bizarre because it's the only form of fiction where some people are convinced the fans don't know it's fiction.

A fun way to make sure you aren't invited back to parties is to convince those people that you genuinely believe the UFC is a work while pro-wrestling is a legitimate competition.

Re:The bizarre world of indie wrestling by InitialLastName on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:13PM (#16362214)
When I was 10, a classmate hit me over the head with a folding chair in defense of the reality of pro wrestling.

The adult fans might know it's fiction; children are still figuring out where that line sits.

Re:The bizarre world of indie wrestling by lllr_finger on Monday February 12, 2018 @06:13PM (#16363258)
Wrestling fans can be broadly defined as "marks" who buy into the illusion, and smart marks who understand the illusion and how it relates to business.

Arguably the largest part of this illusion "kayfabe" has been dead for years and years - everyone knows wins and losses are predetermined. That doesn't stop promotions from using wrestling news and social media to blur the lines of what's real and fake when it comes to contracts, injuries, and alliances.

Re:The bizarre world of indie wrestling by failrate on Monday February 12, 2018 @06:27PM (#16363359)
Vince McMahon was required to kill kayfabe to avoid litigation over steroids in sports. By redefining WWE as entertainment, certain anti-doping requirements were lifted.
Re:The bizarre world of indie wrestling by lmm on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:01PM (#16362094)
Nowadays "Reality TV" is in the same position.
Re:The bizarre world of indie wrestling by fullshark on Monday February 12, 2018 @10:22PM (#16364485)
Not anymore, except for small children.