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Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by kbenson on Monday February 12, 2018 @03:02PM (#16361528)
> Netflix, a Californian company, simply couldn't fathom that some people might understand English and Spanish.

Or they just decided the path that serves the most people without complicating matters is to assume you want subtitles for any language not selected as the primary audio language.

I think the relevant question here is how would you design a control panel that allowed you to define which of the many languages which might be in the movie should be subtitled or not? I think the people that care about this (that is, those that speak both languages and find it annoying) is vanishingly small.

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by ProfessorLayton on Monday February 12, 2018 @05:02PM (#16362740)
I don't agree that adding Off/Auto/Language-of-choice setting is complicating matters. Having an "Off" setting that isn't actually off is not good UX. A huge portion of Spanish speakers in the US also speak English, so I wouldn't say this is a niche feature.

44% of Californians speak a language other than English at home, and 1/5 nationwide [1], yet Netflix' product doesn't seem to cater particularly well to those audiences.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/censu...

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by wpietri on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:36PM (#16362478)
Yes, exactly. Netflix is militantly opposed to feature bloat. That means picking the case that works well for most people.

And I'd add that what to subtitle is an artistic choice; directors carefully decide what languages to use and what they want to subtitle or leave untranslated. Plus Netflix have to deal with source material from hundreds of companies. Creating clever subtitle features quickly gets out into very deep waters.

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by ekianjo on Monday February 12, 2018 @07:59PM (#16363886)
> That means picking the case that works well for most people.

On the web, you can serve customized content to every single client, because the tech enables it. It's just wrong to go for "one size fits all".

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by mulmen on Monday February 12, 2018 @03:15PM (#16361649)
In the app settings you have a list of languages and the user selects the ones they speak. When CC is on subtitle everything, when CC is off subtitle what is not selected.
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by takeda on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:45PM (#16362571)
Yes, that's probably the right way to implement this, but it is still more complex.

No one on this site will have problem with that UI, but I personally know people who have issues with much simpler things.

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by mulmen on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:47PM (#16362594)
Sane defaults are easy to set in this scenario so the average user gets the same behavior as today but those people who want more control can still do so.
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by thomastjeffery on Monday February 12, 2018 @05:39PM (#16363036)
Add an English and Spanish audio language.

It's really not hard. The real problem is that because it's closed-source software, the user must rely on the creator to think of every edge case.

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by ekianjo on Monday February 12, 2018 @08:00PM (#16363896)
It would be so much better if the user could just watch the encrypted video feed in just any player they want (provided they interface with a libnetflix library...)
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by thomastjeffery on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @04:37PM (#16371025)
Absolutely.

The only reason I have left to pirate a movie that is available to me on netflix is to get more stable playback, the ability to play slightly faster, and the ability to use Smooth Video Project.

It's obvious that DRM-based platforms have driven TV manufacturers to implement expensive frame-interpolation into their displays, when it can be done much more efficiently at the decoder level, on machines where it makes sense to already have a fast GPU. This is the thing I find most frustrating with this situation.

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by nkrisc on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @09:36AM (#16367380)
If the show or movie has both Spanish and English subtitles, when you go to turn subtitles on/off just show each language with its own toggle. There could also be master toggle to show turn all on/off. I doubt most shows would have more than two, if at all.