How did Google Talk change from a dream to a nightmare?

Re:How did Google Talk change from a dream to a nightmare? by nextos on Sunday February 11, 2018 @09:40AM (#16352837)

XMPP is a bit complex, and suffers from some problems derived from too much flexibility. The mandatory part of the protocol is too small. This could be fixed by creating a meta XEP that lists all XEPs needed by modern clients.

However, it's a very capable protocol. Just see how nice conversations.im is. It doesn't even use GCM, and both latency and energy usage are fantastic.

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Re:How did Google Talk change from a dream to a nightmare? by ossguy on Sunday February 11, 2018 @10:04AM (#16352923)

Such a meta XEP exists already: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0387.html#im

If you use a client that conforms to the Advanced Client requirements of the IM and Mobile Compliance Suites (with a similarly up-to-par server), you will have a very good experience.

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Re:How did Google Talk change from a dream to a nightmare? by nextos on Sunday February 11, 2018 @11:33AM (#16353321)

The problem is that selection is still limited if you factor in OMEMO support (end-to-end encryption):

https://omemo.top/

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Re:How did Google Talk change from a dream to a nightmare? by detaro on Sunday February 11, 2018 @10:29AM (#16353038)

Recommendations for good clients for desktop systems? Maybe my google-fu is particularly weak today, but I couldn't find a clear statements which clients outside conversations.im fullfill those (obviously only the IM suite, since mobile wouldn't apply)

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Re:How did Google Talk change from a dream to a nightmare? by ossguy on Sunday February 11, 2018 @10:36AM (#16353079)

https://gajim.org/ tends to be best for desktop (binaries exist for most desktop OSes).

For macOS, you may want to try Adium or Psi. Or you can use https://movim.eu/ which, though a web client, has fairly good feature support as well.

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Re:How did Google Talk change from a dream to a nightmare? by Shoothe on Sunday February 11, 2018 @02:09PM (#16354192)

I second Gajim especially 1.0.0 version that looks good. There is also https://dino.im but that's still in alpha.

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Re:How did Google Talk change from a dream to a nightmare? by detaro on Sunday February 11, 2018 @04:40PM (#16354977)

thanks you two, will give Gajim a try!

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Re:How did Google Talk change from a dream to a nightmare? by Shoothe on Sunday February 11, 2018 @05:07PM (#16355105)

Remember to install some essential plug-ins (OMEMO, HTTP Upload, URL image preview, etc.) for the best experience :)

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