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Re:How and Why Athletes Go Broke (2009) by jstanley on Friday February 09, 2018 @01:18PM (#16342526)
> Seriously: the recruitment of minors for major league with giant cash benefits should require them to sign a consent form for arms-length management of their capital for some time period, and give them the income stream not the capital.

No, thanks. It's their money, let them have it. If they want it to be invested on their behalf, that's fine. But it should be their choice.

How would you like it if your employer told you that instead of paying you your wages, he was instead going to contribute to an investment fund, and you'd receive the income from that fund rather than receiving the money directly?

Re:How and Why Athletes Go Broke (2009) by colanderman on Friday February 09, 2018 @01:32PM (#16342656)
That is quite literally how retirement works.
Re:How and Why Athletes Go Broke (2009) by jstanley on Friday February 09, 2018 @01:35PM (#16342694)
But paying into a pension is optional.

And to the extent that it's not (e.g. National Insurance): it should be.

Re:How and Why Athletes Go Broke (2009) by ggm on Friday February 09, 2018 @11:46PM (#16345944)
It should be so we're down the Cato institute rabbit hole? Sure. You believe one thing and I believe another.
Re:How and Why Athletes Go Broke (2009) by soared on Friday February 09, 2018 @01:22PM (#16342561)
Replace your employer with government and its real life social security. In theory I support it... if it lasted till I retired.
Re:How and Why Athletes Go Broke (2009) by crankylinuxuser on Friday February 09, 2018 @01:38PM (#16342723)
Unfortunately, what Cato says is very worrying (1). Primarily, they highlight court cases in which Social Security is pulled away from people, and reaffirmed by SCOTUS. This is the troubling quote:

The Court’s decision was not surprising. In an earlier case, Helvering v. Davis (1937), the Court had ruled that Social Security was not a contributory insurance program, saying, “The proceeds of both the employee and employer taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like any other internal revenue generally, and are not earmarked in any way.”

We would likely have a national riot if Social Security was just yanked at once. But if my own life is any guess, the age to qualify for "benefits" keeps going higher and higher. It's theft by attrition, and backed as not theft by courts.

I do not agree with CATO's eventual policy of "privatization" at all. The other choice, which was not posited, was to earmark the funds, keep them segregated from the general fund. Then do the right thing and set Social Security as a guarantee at the same age for everyone. And, remove that cap.

(1) https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/is-there-right-...

Re:How and Why Athletes Go Broke (2009) by Brockenstein on Friday February 09, 2018 @02:19PM (#16343052)
>Then do the right thing and set Social Security as a guarantee at the same age for everyone.

You have to take in consideration a few factors governing the original social security age limits. IE Life expectancy was significantly less. People live on average quite a bit longer now, addressing that reality isn't a bad idea.

The other thing to consider is the money we're paying in now isn't being saved for our benefit later. It's being used to pay the benefits of current retirees. Not to mention the money that current retirees paid into the system 20, 30, 40 years ago is a pittance to what they're drawing now.

I mean I like the idea of social security. A lot of people do, it's become ingrained in our national expectation. But in the same token, a lot of people don't have realistic thoughts about it. And we're going to need it to evolve with the realities of our culture. Longer lifespans, real cost of living, etc are all real issues that can't be ignored and expect Social Security to chug on perpetually.

Re:How and Why Athletes Go Broke (2009) by Spooky23 on Friday February 09, 2018 @08:07PM (#16345210)
Social Security is perfectly sustainable. The problem with is the demographic bump of the baby boom and use of it as a political football during the 60s and 70s when benefits were spun up, followed by the congress reducing funding by capping payments.
Re:How and Why Athletes Go Broke (2009) by mobilefriendly on Friday February 09, 2018 @08:20PM (#16345269)
Payments have always been capped (maximum taxable earnings), your history is factually wrong. Congress spends the surplus but the only actions ever taken by Congress on the revenue side of Social Security have been to increase taxes paid into the system.
Re:How and Why Athletes Go Broke (2009) by Spooky23 on Friday February 09, 2018 @09:02PM (#16345414)
The cap didn’t increase with inflation, which impacted collections.

In effect the payroll tax was spun up in the 80s and used as government revenue via special bonds. But as the surplus as waned due to increased payments, the cap didn’t move and the government’s spending power to bridge the gap was reduced by our post-2001 perpetual war.

Re:How and Why Athletes Go Broke (2009) by ACow_Adonis on Friday February 09, 2018 @08:32PM (#16345304)
In my country, that's called superannuation.

You get some choice where its invested, but in short, you can't spend it on anything that benefits you materially here and now. 9.5% minimum is taken out of practically every non-casual working position.

In general, it's defined contribution, not defined payment (barring some of the older pension plans which are going to have some tough decisions ahead).

Flaws of the system aside, I'm generally in favor of the idea myself.

Re:How and Why Athletes Go Broke (2009) by ggm on Friday February 09, 2018 @11:46PM (#16345940)
For 9% of my pay that's what happens. Australia has mandatory age savings. I have discretion over the investment fund. I don't get to spend the cash on hookers.

Choice is a hot button item. You value this specific choice above others. I value their long term welfare above choice in this matter.

Re:How and Why Athletes Go Broke (2009) by skybrian on Friday February 09, 2018 @01:33PM (#16342671)
That's what a pension plan is.