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Re:Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen by monkmartinez on Friday February 09, 2018 @10:01AM (#16340603)
I have read most of Cal's books and they are good. His fight against social media is... I don't know, extreme. The problem to me isn't social media per se. The real problem is self-discipline/control.

Cal crusades against social media, but I don't see him crusade against video games, or watching TV for example. I think a good/better metric is total screen time.

My children are given an allowance in the form of screen time. I kind of do the same for myself and I have decent self-control. That is the key, I think... limits and control by taking responsibility for yourself and those you are charged to raise.

Re:Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen by gaius on Friday February 09, 2018 @11:02AM (#16341190)
The real problem is self-discipline/control

The problem is that these things are what are being directly undermined. As humans we have for example a built in fear of what is now called FOMO; if the tribe was doing something and you weren't, your survivability was directly threatened. That's why it feels bad to be lonely, and good to be part of a mob. Facebook has weaponised human urges that operate below the level of rational thought. It's targeting the Intel Management Engine of our brains.

Re:Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen by daxorid on Friday February 09, 2018 @10:07AM (#16340663)
> The problem to me isn't social media per se. The real problem is self-discipline/control.

I'd agree with you if it was firmly established that all people have full, conscious agency. But the very existence of compulsive behavior personalities and addiction demonstrates that agency is unequally distributed.

While person A may easily be able to walk away from the dopamine bar by sheer force of will, person B may not. Person A's problem is surely with self-discipline, but person B's problem is with the dopamine bar.

Re:Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen by monkmartinez on Friday February 09, 2018 @10:14AM (#16340738)
You are 100% right, of course. I guess we still need more evolution.
Re:Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen by Sir_Cmpwn on Friday February 09, 2018 @10:34AM (#16340888)
>The problem to me isn't social media per se. The real problem is self-discipline/control.

I think we need to have the self-awareness to acknowledge that humans are falliable, chemical creatures and that companies like Facebook are exploiting that in ways that are unethical and beyond most people's ability to adequately deal with. Let's not blame the victim here.

Re:Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen by kvgr on Friday February 09, 2018 @10:21AM (#16340778)
TV shows, specially Netflix have this sense of clifhangers and addiction. But one you are out of the house or at work, you just don't watch it :) You watch one episode, maybe another and then you are on the go to do stuff.

Social media with their superduper optimized notifications and timelines are especially designed to pull you out of work and focus to let a little more of that "oh new gif baby falling over" or "Oh another person liked photo of baguette I had for lunch, that makes 2, sweet" high. And it is east to just switch tab and write Face+Enter...

Re:Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen by toastking on Friday February 09, 2018 @10:09AM (#16340686)
I think the difference is it's a little easier to control other forms of "screen time". That other stuff is pure entertainment and they don't have the addictive aspect of a feed.
Re:Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen by stctgion on Friday February 09, 2018 @10:25AM (#16340810)
I think maybe it's because you can't win at Facebook. All the other forms of entertainment give you a sense of satisfaction on completion. Facebook is the complete opposite. It doesn't end and you can't really win at it. That's great from a commercial perspective but utterly unfulfilling for the user.
Re:Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen by GVIrish on Friday February 09, 2018 @10:11AM (#16340694)
I dunno man, some games are really fucking addictive these days. Especially with some of the abusive gambling mechanics.
Re:Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen by monkmartinez on Friday February 09, 2018 @10:13AM (#16340720)
I would argue staunchly, that Fortnite (PS4 online version) is every bit as "addictive" as a FB feed. Ultimately, all they provide are shots of dopamine.
Re:Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen by Pigo on Friday February 09, 2018 @10:09AM (#16340682)
I try to give my kids alternatives, or get them interested in other things. It bothers me when I've seen parents get angry because their kid is gaming constantly, especially when they are sitting there looking at their phone all night long. If that's all that they ever do, it's probably because they've watched you waste time every night.
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Re:Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen by sctb on Friday February 09, 2018 @10:49AM (#16341045)
If you won't comment civilly and substantively we'll ban the account.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen by pensivemood on Friday February 09, 2018 @11:16AM (#16341367)
I said the argument was stupid. Not the person making it. Smart people can sometimes make stupid argument. Even I make stupid arguments sometimes. I can only pray that the people around will tell me straight that my argument is stupid.

Are you telling me that people in HN cannot tell me when my argument is stupid? Is there some flag that I can toggle to let people know that it is ok to tell me when I make a stupid argument?

I mean, I don't know what else is preventing HN from being a safe place for stupid people to gather, pat each other on their back and feel safe, secure and validated...

Oh well, may be it is already is..

Re:Facebook's Desperate Smoke Screen by sctb on Friday February 09, 2018 @06:18PM (#16344675)
The issue is that you've rudely said something completely uninformative. So instead of that, please say something substantive and do so civilly.