You realize there is a difference between reclaiming land and claiming or fighting wars in foreign land.

Not that i think any of both is right. But only one directly changes _my_ life.

Ah, so Signal devs are aligned with the US government in the same manner that the Durovs are working for the Russian government?

See, for me it makes sense to link Telegram to Kremlin, as it's very obviously ran by Putins buddies.

If Signal devs are in a similar situation, it's certainly not nearly as obvious as with Telegram.

> See, for me it makes sense to link Telegram to Kremlin, as it's very obviously ran by Putins buddies.

Do you have any reason to believe this, other than the guy's nationality?

Durov was the founder of VK (Russia's version of Facebook). He was approached by the Krelim and "forced" to sell his stake (nice social network you have there, it would be a shame if something happened to it)

https://www.theverge.com/2014/1/31/5363990/how-putins-cronie...

I would imagine if there's someone who hates the Kremlin, it's Durov.

So I'll ask again, do you have any evidence to support your claim? Because if it all hinges on his nationality you're sounding a bit biggoted.

>Because if it all hinges on his nationality you're sounding a bit biggoted.

lol.

>Do you have any reason to believe this, other than the guy's nationality?

It seems bigoted to assume that his nationality would have anything to do with this.

Durovs have spent years cultivating this lie of them having been forced to "exile" from Russia, despite being a regular sight in Saint Petersburg.

Pavel even went as far as assaulting someone and taking their phone after he was spotted in a local mall. https://lenta.ru/news/2017/03/20/durov/

>https://www.theverge.com/2014/1/31/5363990/how-putins-cronie...

>I would imagine if there's someone who hates the Kremlin, it's Durov.

Well then you probably wouldn't imagine that Telegram is being developed in the VKontakte HQ building, but nonetheless that is the case.

https://tjournal.ru/52954-durov-back-in-ussr

Maybe Durovs genuinely do hate the Kremlin, maybe not. It doesn't make a difference. They've spent years cultivating their false image as dissidents while remaining extremely close to Putin, whether or not they do so by choice makes little difference.

Its a day later but i did some reading.

Essentially:

> By using Facebook/Whatsapp you are directly supporting the U.S.

is just as valid isnt it? Because you know Zuck has been to the White House and has followed requests by U.S. gov agencies.

Thats my whole point. If you have to choose between 2 evils, you choose that that is less threatening to yourself.

PS: I dont compare with Signal as they have neither spread nor common features.

>See, for me it makes sense to link Telegram to Kremlin, as it's very obviously ran by Putins buddies.

Pavel literally fled the country and bought himself a different citizenship only to be best Putin buddy, yeah.