Is-Vegan – Helps you to find out which food ingredients are vegan

Re:Is-Vegan – Helps you to find out which food ingredients a... by delecti on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @11:26AM (#16317271)

Is veganism "eliminating the consumption of any animal products" or "reducing consumption of products that are produced due to animal exploitation and suffering". In the former case, honey is clearly not allowed, but in the latter it could be. Beekeepers and their bees can definitely be more of a symbiotic relationship than an exploitative one.

I see both sides of the debate; at the very least it's not as black-and-white as most other animal products.

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Re:Is-Vegan – Helps you to find out which food ingredients a... by cies on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @11:30AM (#16317310)

> Beekeepers and their bees can definitely be more of a symbiotic relationship than an exploitative one.

Seriously? Beekeeping can be quite stressful for the bees, in some cases colonies are pruned. And the keeper gets to make money selling the honey that the bees did happily give up (the try to sting anyone taking their honey).

This is exploitation by definition. Calling it a symbiosis is euphemistic.

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Re:Is-Vegan – Helps you to find out which food ingredients a... by delecti on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @11:43AM (#16317422)

There are links elsewhere in this thread that defend honey as vegan. I'm neither a vegan nor an expert in beekeeping, so it's not an argument I'm interested in having.

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Re:Is-Vegan – Helps you to find out which food ingredients a... by cies on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @02:40PM (#16318886)

No worries. Not having it than. It's just to classify that relationship as symbiotic which makes my question your understanding of the word symbiotic.

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