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Re:Ask HN: Why has Apple's software quality steadily gone do... by iknowicouldturn on Monday February 05, 2018 @08:16PM (#16313742)
There’s also a difference between advanced users and power users. You can be an advanced user like people I know but not have lots of apps and thus icons installed. So no need for Bartender to hide them.

I do need Bartender like you seem to. But I’ve seen I’m the exception amongst my beginner and advanced friends vs the norm.

Re:Ask HN: Why has Apple's software quality steadily gone do... by j45 on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @01:50PM (#16318434)
Definitely.

There's also a problem with every app thinking they're at the center of one's existence and should start on bootup, desktop icon, and status bar icon. But that's likely aimed at beginners, and not advanced or power users.