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Re:New reports suggest limits to autonomous vehicle performance by sgustard on Friday February 02, 2018 @08:52PM (#16295678)
I have a robot vacuum, but: it doesn't do corners. It doesn't do steps. It doesn't get along with cats. It's orders of magnitude less effective than a human vacuum pilot. Yet this is also a problem that's orders of magnitude easier to solve, yes?
Re:New reports suggest limits to autonomous vehicle performance by TeMPOraL on Saturday February 03, 2018 @05:16AM (#16297018)
Are you willing to pay for more?

Robovacuums seem to have hit a sweet spot - they do just enough on their own to justify their costs by saving you time and effort. Solving the corner cases you mentioned is possible, but there is not a strong enough economic incentive for that.

Re:New reports suggest limits to autonomous vehicle performance by contrarian_ on Saturday February 03, 2018 @06:55AM (#16297272)
It's a winner-takes-all market, so there are absolutely strong economic incentives to build the best robovacuum control software.
Re:New reports suggest limits to autonomous vehicle performance by lukas099 on Saturday February 03, 2018 @09:40AM (#16297774)
Why is it a winner-takes-all market?
Re:New reports suggest limits to autonomous vehicle performance by bastawhiz on Friday February 02, 2018 @08:57PM (#16295699)
In fairness, cars move in far fewer ways than a vacuum. Vacuums need to make sharp turns and get into tight spaces on unmarked, uneven surfaces. Cars move forward and slightly to each side for almost all of their movement. Cars also drive on mostly flat surfaces that are well marked and mapped.
Re:New reports suggest limits to autonomous vehicle performance by kuschku on Saturday February 03, 2018 @01:42AM (#16296537)
You haven't seen an italian town.

Cars make sharp turns and get into tight spaces on unmarked, uneven surfaces, with pedestrians walking everywhere around the car.

That's what a self-driving car needs to support. All road rules out of the window, tiny roads you canbarely navigate, and due to a festival everything is redirected around and all your maps are useless, you're told to drive a short bit through a park because there's a parade on the road, the only way to tell where you can and can't drive being a nonstandard sign and a police officer telling you.

This is a real life use case of driving, as given in many European towns. For additional difficulty, do a small Weihnachtsmarkt in a rural place, where you'll have the same, but with so much snow you can barely see anything.

Re:New reports suggest limits to autonomous vehicle performance by kazinator on Saturday February 03, 2018 @02:03AM (#16296592)
How well could you, human, vacuum a house if all you were given was a Roomba robot's chassis controlled by you via joystick, and maybe a camera mounted in the robot?

There is a physical challenge arising from the form factor, such that your intelligence won't help. Those robots don't do stairs and tight places very well simply because the hardware is that way.

In driving, the robot has the same controls as the human. It can turn the wheels, brake, apply gas. That basic playing field is level.

It's all about how well you make the AI see and understand, and translate that into turning the wheel, changing forward/reverse, and hitting gas/brakes.

Re:New reports suggest limits to autonomous vehicle performance by dredmorbius on Saturday February 03, 2018 @12:09AM (#16296293)
Robot vacuums put very few lives at risk and operate in a manifestly simple environment. They literally navigate by heading off in random directions until the crash into something, then turn. Self-driving cars are an entirely different domain.

(I'm referring to devices/products such as the Roomba.)