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Re:I’m the Wife of a Former N.F.L. Player. Football Destroye... by khalilravanna on Friday February 02, 2018 @03:58PM (#16294157)
Totally agree. Another aspect of this is that the decision they're making is one that humans are very bad at: prioritizing their future over their present. "Ok maybe I have headaches when I'm in my 50s but today I get paid way more than everyone I know." Knowing that humans have an unbelievable penchant for putting their present well-being over their future well-being, I think it behooves us (society) to protect these people from making these decision that will in many cases destroy their lives.
Re:I’m the Wife of a Former N.F.L. Player. Football Destroye... by khedoros1 on Friday February 02, 2018 @04:58PM (#16294536)
> I think it behooves us (society) to protect these people from making these decision that will in many cases destroy their lives.

OK. Where's the limit? That kind of protecting people from making their own decisions (including objectively bad ones) has always struck me as dystopian.

I think it's a good idea to educate people on the costs of their actions, and that we should find ways to impress on an emotional level how present actions will affect someone's future. I think it's a bad idea for society to make the decision for them, though.

Re:I’m the Wife of a Former N.F.L. Player. Football Destroye... by mindcrime on Friday February 02, 2018 @05:34PM (#16294753)
I think it's a bad idea for society to make the decision for them, though.

It's not just a bad idea, it's totally immoral and unacceptable. Denying a person their agency is denying the very essence of what makes them human. It's no different than slavery in principle. Either you have self-ownership or not, there is no middle ground.

Re:I’m the Wife of a Former N.F.L. Player. Football Destroye... by birksherty on Sunday February 04, 2018 @04:33AM (#16302060)
I disagree. e.g. Doping in sports. Should we allow everything? Then people will start using all kings of drugs for money and fame. This will encourage everyone in the future to use them. Also, athletes who want to participate without drugs, will have no choice. Things will go downhill fast. And it's not just about the individuals. Their whole family will have to suffer.

A single person without any family, can do everything he wants in their personal space. That will not harm anyone else. If they do that, earn a living and get famous, that will hurt their family and future generations too. That's why we need law and regulations.

Re:I’m the Wife of a Former N.F.L. Player. Football Destroye... by khedoros1 on Sunday February 04, 2018 @06:47PM (#16305624)
"My right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins". The idea of having laws to regulate behavior is so that one person, through exercise of their own agency, doesn't deny someone else the exercise of theirs.

Taking your example of sports: An organized league is something that an athlete joins by choice. The athlete agrees to abide by certain rules as a condition of participating in that league; they aren't being forced to give up their right to choice, they're choosing to.

The comment you responded to isn't arguing against laws and regulations, it's arguing against laws that take away agency for some reason besides protecting equal rights (e.g. someone's swinging fists aren't going to hit anyone else, but "we" don't like that, so we'll prohibit them from swinging their fists, because we feel it's for their own good).

Society shouldn't dictate what's good for the individual; the individual must.

Re:I’m the Wife of a Former N.F.L. Player. Football Destroye... by aje403 on Friday February 02, 2018 @04:19PM (#16294271)
That logic is garbage. We should ban cigarettes? Smoking marijuana should not be legalized (risk factor for lung cancer)? Why not alcohol too? Where else can we stretch that? Maybe we should perform evaluations on people to determine what career paths they should follow to protect their best interests! Society should behoove itself to mind its own business.
Re:I’m the Wife of a Former N.F.L. Player. Football Destroye... by xg15 on Friday February 02, 2018 @05:04PM (#16294566)
How does fixing work safety issues to banning alcohol? This looks like a slippery slope argument.

There are many options to take a sensible position somewhere between the extremes.

Re:I’m the Wife of a Former N.F.L. Player. Football Destroye... by aje403 on Friday February 02, 2018 @05:24PM (#16294693)
Where do you see the words “work safety “ anywhere in the comment I’m responding to?
Re:I’m the Wife of a Former N.F.L. Player. Football Destroye... by foobarchu on Saturday February 03, 2018 @11:12AM (#16298137)
Nowhere, but the grandparent comment literally contains the phrase "workplace safety" and talks about OSHA. This entire comment chain is about people having agency to choose a highly dangerous profession in exchange for good compensation.
Re:I’m the Wife of a Former N.F.L. Player. Football Destroye... by aje403 on Sunday February 04, 2018 @02:26PM (#16304355)
Yes, exactly, and I think the grandparent OSHA argument has merit, however, the parent comment completely distorted it into a case for big brother - which I do not believe has any merit.
Re:I’m the Wife of a Former N.F.L. Player. Football Destroye... by Retra on Friday February 02, 2018 @07:29PM (#16295371)
This is the business of society. It is the only business of society. There's no point in having a government that doesn't look out for the welfare of its people.
Re:I’m the Wife of a Former N.F.L. Player. Football Destroye... by aje403 on Saturday February 03, 2018 @08:50AM (#16297607)
The business of society is ensuring that nobody else f$%^s with my business - not telling me what to do with it. The only gray area is when I'm doing something that affects others.
Re:I’m the Wife of a Former N.F.L. Player. Football Destroye... by Retra on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @01:42AM (#16314798)
So everyone else should be governed? But not you?

Look up the meaning of "govern." It almost literally means "telling people what to do." You're a person. The government will tell you what to do with your business. That's it's only job. It's the sole reason it exists.

Re:I’m the Wife of a Former N.F.L. Player. Football Destroye... by Viliam1234 on Sunday February 04, 2018 @01:25PM (#16304006)
> We should ban cigarettes?

Nope. We should put adequate warnings on the cigarettes, so the customers know what exactly they are buying.

We should do the same with professional sports -- tell everyone the risk according to our best knowledge, and then let them decide.

Re:I’m the Wife of a Former N.F.L. Player. Football Destroye... by oreo81 on Friday February 02, 2018 @04:59PM (#16294544)
>Society should behoove itself to mind its own business. This
Re:I’m the Wife of a Former N.F.L. Player. Football Destroye... by ebullientocelot on Friday February 02, 2018 @04:42PM (#16294430)
Shall we automatically turn off televisions and restrict the pounds per person garbage food sold each month to protect people from themselves as well? Oh, I know, let's have a new tax-funded agency that is constantly going in and out of people's homes ensuring that only those couples financially capable of raising a child are having unprotected sex.